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==Three definitions of Pas HaBah BeKisnin==
==Pas Haba Bikisnin: "Bread" that has the status of Mezonot==
# There’s three definitions of Pas HaBah BeKisnin:
 
==Three definitions of Pas Haba Bikisnin==
# There are three definitions of Pas HaBah BeKisnin:
## The dough with which the food is made is sweetened with fruit juice, oil, etc.  
## The dough with which the food is made is sweetened with fruit juice, oil, etc.  
## The bread is very hard (and cracks when bent)
## The bread is very hard (and cracks when bent)

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Pas Haba Bikisnin: "Bread" that has the status of Mezonot

Three definitions of Pas Haba Bikisnin

  1. There are three definitions of Pas HaBah BeKisnin:
    1. The dough with which the food is made is sweetened with fruit juice, oil, etc.
    2. The bread is very hard (and cracks when bent)
    3. The bread is filled with a sweet filler such as chocolate, nuts, or fruit.

We hold like all three and so we make a mezonot if the mezonot fulfills any of the above requirements. [1]

Explanation of the first definition

  1. According to Ashkenzim, if there’s a majority (51%) of sweeteners such as fruit juice, oil, egg, margarine, sugar, honey, or the like in comparison to the amount of water added to the flour, then the Bracha is mezonot. [2]However, water mixed into the sweeteners such as diluted fruited juice or margarine (usually 15% water) isn’t included in the calculations of sweeteners to water. [3]
  2. According to Sephardim, if the taste of the sweeteners is recognizable in the dough, then the Bracha is mezonot. [4]

Explanation of the second definition

Explanation of the third definition

Shuir of Kedi Achilat Pras

Food that is meant to fill

  1. Mezonot that fall into the category of filled dough or crumbling hard dough, if that food is meant to be eaten to fill oneself, one should make a HaMotzei regardless of how much one ate. However, foods that fall into the category of sweet dough, even if it’s meant to be eaten to satisfy hunger, one should make a Mezonot. [5]
  1. Pizza with dough that’s just flour and water (or only an amount of fruit juice or oil that’s not recognizable in taste) has the Bracha of HaMotzei even for a small amount. [6]

References

  1. S”A 158
  2. Rama 168:7, Mishna Brurah 168:33 writes that such is the minhag of Ashkenazim.
  3. VeZot HaBracha (pg 17) in name of Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 9:44
  4. S”A 168:7, Yalkut Yosef (Brachot pg 129, Kitzur S”A 168:7)
  5. S”A 168:17 rules that bread filled with meat or fish has the Bracha of HaMotzei. Magan Avraham 168:44 explains that this Bracha is made even if one doesn’t have a keviyut sueda because regarding sweets that fill the bread such as fruit there’s room to say that such fillers make the bread into a temporary snack, however, a substantial filler such as meat, fish, or cheese don’t make the bread change from HaMotzei to Mezonot. So rules the Mishna Brurah 168:94 and Yalkut Yosef (Brachot pg 125, Kitzur S”A 168:3). However, the Taz 168:20 argues that for filled bread the Bracha is Mezonot like in S”A 168:7 unless there’s a keviyut sueda. [Interestingly, the Ben Ish Chai (Pinchas 20), Kaf HaChaim 168:137, and Halacha Brurah 168:49 are concerned for the opinion of the Taz and hold that one should make sure to have more than a keviyut sueda, however if one doesn’t have enough and one doesn’t have bread, one should make a mezonot.] The VeZot HaBracha (pg 17 note 1) rules like Mishna Brurah that for bread that’s filled and is meant to fill one up the bracha is HaMotzei.
  6. S”A 168:17 rules that bread filled with meat or fish has the Bracha of HaMotzei. Magan Avraham 168:44 explains that this Bracha is made even if one doesn’t have a keviyut sueda because regarding sweets that fill the bread such as fruit there’s room to say that such fillers make the bread into a temporary snack, however, a substantial filler such as meat, fish, or cheese don’t make the bread change from HaMotzei to Mezonot. Therefore, Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef in Yalkut Yosef (Brachot pg 125, Kitzur S”A 168:3), Halichot Olam vol 2 pg 114, and Sh”t Yabea Omer 9:108(84) rules that regarding pizza the halacha is the same as dough filled with meat which has the Bracha of HaMotzei. So rules Chacham Ben Tzion Abba Shaul in Or Letzion (vol 2, 12:5), and Rabbi Moshe HaLevi in Birkat Hashem (vol 2, 2:62). [However, the Taz 168:20 argues on the Magan Avraham and holds that for filled bread the Bracha is Mezonot just like if it was filled with sweets unless there’s a keviyut sueda. Halacha Brurah 168:50 is concerned for the opinion of the Taz and holds that one should make sure to have more than a keviyut sueda, however if one doesn’t have enough and one doesn’t have bread, one should make a mezonot.] According to Ashkenazim, the Bracha is also HaMotzei as the Mishna Brurah 168:94 holds like the Magan Avraham and VeZot HaBracha (pg 21) quotes Rabbi Shlomo Zalman, Rabbi Sheinburg, and Rabbi Moshe Shternbach that the Bracha on pizza (which is made from water and flour) is HaMotzei.