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* The S”A 114:6 rules like the Rosh that one should continue from the point one remembered. Halacha Brurah 114:12 rules like S”A. </ref> unless one already said VeNeeman Atta LeHachayot Meytim in which case one should return to that point say Mashiv HaRuach and continue. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 114:29 rules this way so that one is able to conclude the Bracha with the mean idea of the Bracha. This is also brought by the Kaf HaChaim 114:42 and Halacha Brurah 114:12. </ref>  
* The S”A 114:6 rules like the Rosh that one should continue from the point one remembered. Halacha Brurah 114:12 rules like S”A. </ref> unless one already said VeNeeman Atta LeHachayot Meytim in which case one should return to that point say Mashiv HaRuach and continue. <Ref>Mishna Brurah 114:29 rules this way so that one is able to conclude the Bracha with the mean idea of the Bracha. This is also brought by the Kaf HaChaim 114:42 and Halacha Brurah 114:12. </ref>  
## remembered after having said Baruch Atta Hashem before saying Mechaye Maytim, one should say Lamdeni Chukecha (למדני חוקיך) and then go back to Mashiv HaRuach and continue from there. <ref>
## remembered after having said Baruch Atta Hashem before saying Mechaye Maytim, one should say Lamdeni Chukecha (למדני חוקיך) and then go back to Mashiv HaRuach and continue from there. <ref>
* Biur Halacha 114:6 s.v. BeLo Chatima quotes several reasons not to hold like the Ravyah (who says that one may insert Mashiv HaRuach after Mechaye Maytim before Atta Kadosh), however, he concludes that it’s difficult to rule against the Shulchan Aruch (who rules like the Ravyah) and many achronim who agree with S”A. The Biur Halacha adds that if one remembers before finishing the Bracha one should conclude with the words Lamdeni Chukecha which is the conclusion of a פסוק and then one will be able to go back to Mashiv HaRuach and continue from there avoiding the situation of the Ravyah. Additionally, if one forgot VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha one should say it in Shomeh Tefillah rather than say it before the next Bracha. The Mishna Brurah 114:32 seems to hold like Shulchan Aruch unless it’s possible to avoid this situation.  
* Beiur Halacha 114:6 s.v. BeLo Chatima quotes several reasons not to hold like the Ravyah (who says that one may insert Mashiv HaRuach after Mechaye Maytim before Atta Kadosh), however, he concludes that it’s difficult to rule against the Shulchan Aruch (who rules like the Ravyah) and many achronim who agree with S”A. The Beiur Halacha adds that if one remembers before finishing the Bracha one should conclude with the words Lamdeni Chukecha which is the conclusion of a פסוק and then one will be able to go back to Mashiv HaRuach and continue from there avoiding the situation of the Ravyah. Additionally, if one forgot VeTen Tal UMatar Lebracha one should say it in Shomeh Tefillah rather than say it before the next Bracha. The Mishna Brurah 114:32 seems to hold like Shulchan Aruch unless it’s possible to avoid this situation.  
* However, the Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:93 argues on the Biur Halacha and says that the advise of concluding the Bracha with Lamdeni Chukecha isn’t a viable option because it’s considered an interruption to speak words of Torah in middle of [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. Rather the Igrot Moshe says that one should rely on Shulchan Aruch completely and if one remembers after having said Baruch Atta Hashem one should finish the Bracha and then say Mashiv HaRuach right there before the next Bracha.  
* However, the Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:93 argues on the Beiur Halacha and says that the advise of concluding the Bracha with Lamdeni Chukecha isn’t a viable option because it’s considered an interruption to speak words of Torah in middle of [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. Rather the Igrot Moshe says that one should rely on Shulchan Aruch completely and if one remembers after having said Baruch Atta Hashem one should finish the Bracha and then say Mashiv HaRuach right there before the next Bracha.  
* Despite the argument of the Igrot Moshe, most achronim side with the Biur Halacha including Ben Ish Chai (Nitsavim #20), Kaf HaChaim 114:28, Sh”t Bear Moshe 4:18, Or Letzion (vol 2, 7:29), Sh”t Yabia Omer 1:22, Sh”t Yechave Daat 5:49, Tefillah KeHilchata 12:28, and Piskei Teshuvot 114:9. </ref>
* Despite the argument of the Igrot Moshe, most achronim side with the Beiur Halacha including Ben Ish Chai (Nitsavim #20), Kaf HaChaim 114:28, Sh”t Bear Moshe 4:18, Or Letzion (vol 2, 7:29), Sh”t Yabia Omer 1:22, Sh”t Yechave Daat 5:49, Tefillah KeHilchata 12:28, and Piskei Teshuvot 114:9. </ref>
## remembered after having completed the Bracha before the next Bracha, one should say Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem right there and continue with Atta Kadosh. <Ref>
## remembered after having completed the Bracha before the next Bracha, one should say Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem right there and continue with Atta Kadosh. <Ref>
* The Ravyah (Tanit Siman 846) writes that if one forgot to say Morid HaGeshem in the winter and one remembered before the beginning of the next Bracha one may say Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem at that point. This is also quoted by the Mordechai (Tanit Siman 513), Rosh (Tanit 1:1), and Hagahot Maimon (Tefillah 10) in name of the Smak. This is the ruling of Tur and S”A 114:6. [Many Achronim agree with S”A including Ben Ish Chai (Bishalach #16).]  
* The Ravyah (Tanit Siman 846) writes that if one forgot to say Morid HaGeshem in the winter and one remembered before the beginning of the next Bracha one may say Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem at that point. This is also quoted by the Mordechai (Tanit Siman 513), Rosh (Tanit 1:1), and Hagahot Maimon (Tefillah 10) in name of the Smak. This is the ruling of Tur and S”A 114:6. [Many Achronim agree with S”A including Ben Ish Chai (Bishalach #16).]  
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* The Ravyah (quoted in the Mordechai (Tanit Siman 612, the first piece of Tanit) explains that if one said Mashiv HaRuach in the summer returning to Mechalkel Chaim isn’t sufficient because it’s not recognizable that one is making an omission (as one says that everyday) rather one should start from the beginning of the Bracha and then the omission of Mashiv HaRuach is evident.  
* The Ravyah (quoted in the Mordechai (Tanit Siman 612, the first piece of Tanit) explains that if one said Mashiv HaRuach in the summer returning to Mechalkel Chaim isn’t sufficient because it’s not recognizable that one is making an omission (as one says that everyday) rather one should start from the beginning of the Bracha and then the omission of Mashiv HaRuach is evident.  
* However, the Bet Yosef 114:4 understands the Rambam (Tefillah 10:8) as saying that if one said Morid HaGeshem even if one didn’t finish the Bracha one must return to the beginning of [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. Some poskim rule like the Rambam (see next footnote).
* However, the Bet Yosef 114:4 understands the Rambam (Tefillah 10:8) as saying that if one said Morid HaGeshem even if one didn’t finish the Bracha one must return to the beginning of [[Shemoneh Esrei]]. Some poskim rule like the Rambam (see next footnote).
* The Tur and S”A 114:4 rule like the Rosh and Ravyah. Kitzur S"A 19:4 concurs.</ref> Some say that even if one didn't finish the bracha yet one should return to the beginning of Shemona Esrei. <ref>Biur HaGra 114:4 based on Rambam, Biur Halacha s.v. VeChozer</ref>
* The Tur and S”A 114:4 rule like the Rosh and Ravyah. Kitzur S"A 19:4 concurs.</ref> Some say that even if one didn't finish the bracha yet one should return to the beginning of Shemona Esrei. <ref>Biur HaGra 114:4 based on Rambam, Beiur Halacha s.v. VeChozer</ref>
# If one mistakenly said Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and remembers before the end of the end Bracha one should return to the beginning of the Bracha (Atta Gibor), however, if one didn’t and only said Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and continued with Mechalkel Chaim and then completed the Bracha one fulfilled one’s obligation. <ref>Mishna Brurah 114:19 (see also previous footnote)</ref>
# If one mistakenly said Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and remembers before the end of the end Bracha one should return to the beginning of the Bracha (Atta Gibor), however, if one didn’t and only said Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and continued with Mechalkel Chaim and then completed the Bracha one fulfilled one’s obligation. <ref>Mishna Brurah 114:19 (see also previous footnote)</ref>
# Similarly, if one mistakenly said both Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and also Morid HaTal and finished the Bracha one must start [[Shemoneh Esrei]] again. <Ref>Rama 114:4 (see earlier footnote) </ref>
# Similarly, if one mistakenly said both Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem and also Morid HaTal and finished the Bracha one must start [[Shemoneh Esrei]] again. <Ref>Rama 114:4 (see earlier footnote) </ref>
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