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#In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted saying [[Kiddish]] in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Nowadays, when guests don't eat their meals in shul, some say that its proper not to say Kiddush in shul, while others uphold this minhag to say Kiddush in shul on Friday night.<ref>The Gemara Pesachim 100b discusses the custom to recite kiddush on Friday night in shul. The Tur 269 writes that saying Kiddush in shul was only established in order to fulfill the obligation of Kiddush for the guests who would eat their meal in shul. He says that nowadays that guests don't eat their meal in shul one shouldn't say Kiddush in shul. The Beit Yosef 269 quotes the Rabbenu Yonah, Ran, and Rashba who defend this practice of saying Kiddush in shul even if guests don't even their meal in shul. Additionally, the Rambam (Sh"t Harambam 37) writes that this minhag shouldn't be discontinued because all establishments that the rabbis made must remain even if the reason no longer applies. Rashba responsa 1:37 and Maharam Chalavah Pesachim 101a agree. Nonetheless, the Bet Yosef writes that the more proper minhag is not to say Kiddush in Shul. Shulchan Aruch 269:1 rules that some have this practice to say Kiddush in shul, but its better not to. Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that the common minhag is to say Kiddush in shul and one shouldn't uproot it. Yalkut Yosef 269:2 writes that if there are some in shul who will not say Kiddush at their homes at all, it is not just justified but even encouraged to say Kiddush in shul, but otherwise a shul who doesn't yet have that and doesn't yet have an established minhag, shouldn't say the kiddush in shul. He continues that whatever shul already has the minhag to say it, they should not be stopped because this minhag has its basis. | #In the days of the gemara, the Rabbis instituted saying [[Kiddish]] in shul for the travelers who would eat and drink in the Shul. Nowadays, when guests don't eat their meals in shul, some say that its proper not to say Kiddush in shul, while others uphold this minhag to say Kiddush in shul on Friday night.<ref>The Gemara Pesachim 100b discusses the custom to recite kiddush on Friday night in shul. The Tur 269 writes that saying Kiddush in shul was only established in order to fulfill the obligation of Kiddush for the guests who would eat their meal in shul. He says that nowadays that guests don't eat their meal in shul one shouldn't say Kiddush in shul. The Beit Yosef 269 quotes the Rabbenu Yonah, Ran, and Rashba who defend this practice of saying Kiddush in shul even if guests don't even their meal in shul. Additionally, the Rambam (Sh"t Harambam 37) writes that this minhag shouldn't be discontinued because all establishments that the rabbis made must remain even if the reason no longer applies. Rashba responsa 1:37 and Maharam Chalavah Pesachim 101a agree. Nonetheless, the Bet Yosef writes that the more proper minhag is not to say Kiddush in Shul. Shulchan Aruch 269:1 rules that some have this practice to say Kiddush in shul, but its better not to. Mishna Brurah 269:5 writes that the common minhag is to say Kiddush in shul and one shouldn't uproot it. Yalkut Yosef 269:2 writes that if there are some in shul who will not say Kiddush at their homes at all, it is not just justified but even encouraged to say Kiddush in shul, but otherwise a shul who doesn't yet have that and doesn't yet have an established minhag, shouldn't say the kiddush in shul. He continues that whatever shul already has the minhag to say it, they should not be stopped because this minhag has its basis. | ||
*Sh"t Yachin Uboaz 118 writes that that the Rashbetz wouldn't answer [[amen]] to the kiddush in shul because of the safek beracha livatala.</ref> | *Sh"t Yachin Uboaz 118 writes that that the Rashbetz wouldn't answer [[amen]] to the kiddush in shul because of the safek beracha livatala. | ||
*See Chazon Ovadia vol. 2 pg. 1 where he says that a community were everyone can be assumed to do kiddush at home, should not make kiddush in shul, but if this is not the case, then they should make kiddush in shul so that they can at least fulfill their obligation in kiddush mideorayta. He explains that the proper procedure would be to give the wine to a katan to taste to make sure it would not be considered a beracha levatalah. But also mentions that if the chazzan were to drink a reviet, that would also work as this can be considered kiddush bemakom seudah. | |||
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#This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] except for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of [[Pesach]] (and second in Chutz LaAretz).<ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikare adds second day in chutz la'aretz </ref> | #This minhag applies to [[Shabbat]] and [[Yom Tov]] except for the first day of [[Yom Tov]] of [[Pesach]] (and second in Chutz LaAretz).<ref>Mishna Brurah 269:5, BeYitchak Yikare adds second day in chutz la'aretz </ref> | ||
#The one making [[Kiddish]] in shul shouldn't drink from the wine but rather give it to children to drink. Some say that the children should be below the age of [[chinuch]] (6 or 7) while others say that it's better to give it a child above that age. If it is not possible to find a child to drink the wine, an adult should drink it but should make sure to drink a [[Reviyit]] or more, say a [[Bracha Achrona]], and have intent to fulfill the mitzvah of [[kiddish]].<ref>Shulchan Aruch 269, Mishna Brurah 269:1, Yalkut Yosef 269:2. The Magen Avraham 269:1 explains that it is permitted to have the child drink the kiddush wine even though his meal isn't there and it is like eating before kiddush. He explains it is permitted for a child to eat before kiddush for several reasons: 1) Since eating before kiddush is a prohibition implied from a mitzvah it isn't an issue of feeding something forbidden to children. (Yalkut Mefarshim on Ran Yoma 3a agrees.) 2) Since the prohibition is only related to time and not intrinsic to the food it is permitted to feed to children. (Meor Yisrael Ymoa 78b agrees.) 3) According to the Geonim it is permitted to just have the cup of kiddush without the meal there and for children that is sufficient to rely upon. 4) According to the Rashba and Ran it is permitted to feed a child a rabbinic prohibition. </ref> | #The one making [[Kiddish]] in shul shouldn't drink from the wine but rather give it to children to drink. Some say that the children should be below the age of [[chinuch]] (6 or 7) while others say that it's better to give it a child above that age. If it is not possible to find a child to drink the wine, an adult should drink it but should make sure to drink a [[Reviyit]] or more, say a [[Bracha Achrona]], and have intent to fulfill the mitzvah of [[kiddish]].<ref>Shulchan Aruch 269, Mishna Brurah 269:1, Yalkut Yosef 269:2. The Magen Avraham 269:1 explains that it is permitted to have the child drink the kiddush wine even though his meal isn't there and it is like eating before kiddush. He explains it is permitted for a child to eat before kiddush for several reasons: 1) Since eating before kiddush is a prohibition implied from a mitzvah it isn't an issue of feeding something forbidden to children. (Yalkut Mefarshim on Ran Yoma 3a agrees.) 2) Since the prohibition is only related to time and not intrinsic to the food it is permitted to feed to children. (Meor Yisrael Ymoa 78b agrees.) 3) According to the Geonim it is permitted to just have the cup of kiddush without the meal there and for children that is sufficient to rely upon. 4) According to the Rashba and Ran it is permitted to feed a child a rabbinic prohibition. </ref> | ||
