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* The Tiferet Shmuel on Rosh Pesachim 10:15:10 seems to have another understanding of the Rosh in which he assumes that those who are listening to the kiddush and have their own cups don't need their cups to be valid for kiddush and may be drunk from beforehand (like the Raah). However, the Divrei Chamudot Pesachim 10:15:36 understood the Rosh as above.</ref> Some disagree.<ref>The Raah cited by Bet Yosef 182:4 writes that those listening don't have to have valid cups for kiddush. The Shulchan Aruch 182:4 cites that opinion as a minority view.</ref> | * The Tiferet Shmuel on Rosh Pesachim 10:15:10 seems to have another understanding of the Rosh in which he assumes that those who are listening to the kiddush and have their own cups don't need their cups to be valid for kiddush and may be drunk from beforehand (like the Raah). However, the Divrei Chamudot Pesachim 10:15:36 understood the Rosh as above.</ref> Some disagree.<ref>The Raah cited by Bet Yosef 182:4 writes that those listening don't have to have valid cups for kiddush. The Shulchan Aruch 182:4 cites that opinion as a minority view.</ref> | ||
# Some say that for kiddush by day those listening to kiddush must drink from the kiddush cup.<ref> | # Some say that for kiddush by day those listening to kiddush must drink from the kiddush cup.<ref> | ||
[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/856129/rabbi-hershel-schachter/inyonei-sefiras-haomer-nowadays-women-before-kiddush-beit-din-bein-hashmashos-shomea-keoneh/ Rav Schachter Inyonei Sefirat Haomer 5776 towards the very end] quoted the Torah Temimah, Netsiv, and Rav Velve Soloveitchik that one doesn’t fulfill one’s obligation if one doesn’t drink wine at the kiddush of the day specifically since it really is only a birchat hanehenin and not a bracha of a mitzvah. However, in [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/898548/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-92-47a-kiddusha-rabba-ii-bracha-al-hakos-ad-sheyitom-hamevarech-answering-amen/ Brachot Shiur 92 (min 23)] he quoted that Rav Chaim was upset with this chiddush of the Netsiv and not everyone has to drink at the daytime kiddush.</ref> | [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/856129/rabbi-hershel-schachter/inyonei-sefiras-haomer-nowadays-women-before-kiddush-beit-din-bein-hashmashos-shomea-keoneh/ Rav Schachter Inyonei Sefirat Haomer 5776 towards the very end] quoted the Torah Temimah, Netsiv, and Rav Velve Soloveitchik that one doesn’t fulfill one’s obligation if one doesn’t drink wine at the kiddush of the day specifically since it really is only a birchat hanehenin and not a bracha of a mitzvah. However, in [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/898548/rabbi-hershel-schachter/berachos-92-47a-kiddusha-rabba-ii-bracha-al-hakos-ad-sheyitom-hamevarech-answering-amen/ Brachot Shiur 92 (min 23)] he quoted that Rav Chaim was upset with this chiddush of the Netsiv and not everyone has to drink at the daytime kiddush. Teshuvot Vehanhagot 3:243 cites this dispute between the Brisker Rav and Rav Chaim.</ref> | ||
==Eating before Mussaf== | ==Eating before Mussaf== | ||
