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# It is permitted to go to work or another need even if on the way there are woman on the street that aren't dressed appropriately if there aren't other available paths. However, if other paths are available or one is only traveling for pleasure or vacation even if there are no other paths it is forbidden.<ref>The Gemara Bava Batra 57b establishes that it is permitted to go on a path even if there are immodestly dressed women if there is no other path. The gemara says that if there is another path it is forbidden to go on the path with the immodestly dressed women even if one closes one's eyes. Igrot Moshe EH 1:56 adds that if one doesn't have a need, such as for making a livelihood, to travel on a path then it is forbidden to do so since it is considered as though there is another path, meaning, that the other alternative is just not to go at all. | # It is permitted to go to work or another need even if on the way there are woman on the street that aren't dressed appropriately if there aren't other available paths. However, if other paths are available or one is only traveling for pleasure or vacation even if there are no other paths it is forbidden.<ref>The Gemara Bava Batra 57b establishes that it is permitted to go on a path even if there are immodestly dressed women if there is no other path. The gemara says that if there is another path it is forbidden to go on the path with the immodestly dressed women even if one closes one's eyes. Igrot Moshe EH 1:56 adds that if one doesn't have a need, such as for making a livelihood, to travel on a path then it is forbidden to do so since it is considered as though there is another path, meaning, that the other alternative is just not to go at all. | ||
* Chashukei Chemed b”b 57b quotes a gadol hador who said that if there's another path but it is just longer than the first it it is considered as though there isn't another path. Nonetheless, he would only rely upon this not frequently but not if there is an ongoing circumstance. Therefore, he writes that if one bank has tellers who aren't dressed appropriately and another bank has tellers who are dressed appropriately one should use the bank that has tellers who are dressed appropriately even if it involves a longer travel.</ref> | * Chashukei Chemed b”b 57b quotes a gadol hador who said that if there's another path but it is just longer than the first it it is considered as though there isn't another path. Nonetheless, he would only rely upon this not frequently but not if there is an ongoing circumstance. Therefore, he writes that if one bank has tellers who aren't dressed appropriately and another bank has tellers who are dressed appropriately one should use the bank that has tellers who are dressed appropriately even if it involves a longer travel. | ||
* Mayan Omer 9:1:14 quotes Rav Ovadia Yosef as saying if someone must go to a relative's wedding to avoid family friction and women there are dressed not modestly he may go but should only go for the Chupah and Kidushin. | |||
* Milemet Kodesh p. 69 cites Rav Shternbuch in Orchot Habayit p. 148 if there's a path that's possible to avoid the immodesty and it isn't much more difficult one should take it. | |||
* Milchemet Kodesh p. 69 quotes Chut Shani EH 21:1:5 who writes that if he has no other path he can go even if there's immodesty. If he knows that he'll come to hirhur because of what he sees then he may not go. | |||
* Milemet Kodesh p. 68 cites Torah Lishma 394 and Chut Shani EH 21:1:5 that even if there's no other path it is only permitted to go on that path if he isn't intending on seeing the immodest sights. | |||
* Histaklut Bhalacha p. 54 writes that if there's no other path he can go on the path with immodesty if he needs to go there for a need such as for health or parnasa as long as he thinks probably he isn't going to come to hirhur. If he knows that might come to hirhur tzarich iyun if he's allowed to go. He writes that if he isn't sure Rav Moshe still allowed him to go but Rav Yisrael Eliyahu Weintraub and others were uncomfortable with that psak. | |||
* Salmat Chaim EH 60 permits going on a bus with immodestly dressed women if there's no other way to get to where he needs to go as long as he doesn't look around and if he has a sefer focuses on that.</ref> | |||
## Even when this is permitted there is a pious practice in such a case to shun one's eyes from looking at any woman inappropriately dressed.<ref>Gemara Bava Batra 57b</ref> | ## Even when this is permitted there is a pious practice in such a case to shun one's eyes from looking at any woman inappropriately dressed.<ref>Gemara Bava Batra 57b</ref> | ||
## Therefore, an obvious conclusion is that it is forbidden for a man to go to a beach where women are dressed inappropriately.<ref>Igrot Moshe 1:56 writes that it is forbidden for a man to go to the beach because woman are inappropriately dressed there. As a conclusion of the gemara Bava Batra 57b, if he is sick and the doctor recommends for his health to go to the beach to get better it is still forbidden to go there if it is possible to find another beach where women aren't there or a time when women aren't there.</ref> | ## Therefore, an obvious conclusion is that it is forbidden for a man to go to a beach where women are dressed inappropriately.<ref>Igrot Moshe 1:56 writes that it is forbidden for a man to go to the beach because woman are inappropriately dressed there. As a conclusion of the gemara Bava Batra 57b, if he is sick and the doctor recommends for his health to go to the beach to get better it is still forbidden to go there if it is possible to find another beach where women aren't there or a time when women aren't there.</ref> | ||
