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# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken.<ref>  
# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken.<ref>  
* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]].
* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]].
* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].]</ref> Some poskim however, hold that all types of shnitzel are mezonot.<ref>Halachos of Brachos p. 79 quoting Rav Elyashiv. Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food.</ref> Lastly, some poskim consider all shnitzel shehakol.<ref> [https://ph.yhb.org.il/10-11-05/ Peninei Halacha (Rabbi Melamed)] writes that all Shnitzel is shehakol. Also, Piskei Teshuvot 208:6 cites the Shevet Halevi 4:161, 6:24, Lehorot Natan 4:9, Cheshev Haefod 3:72, and Beer Moshe 5:61 who say that all shnitzel is shehakol. Shevet Halevi explains that since it is only a crust it is by definition secondary.</ref> The Sephardic minhag is to make [[Mezonot]] if the batter is thick and [[Shehakol]] if it is thin. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). Yet, [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=57967 Rav Yitzchak Yosef Motzei Shabbat Vayhakel Pekudei 5778 min 37] explained that one should recite mezonot on shnitzel nowadays. They used to be shehakol since they were made with a bit of crust but today they're made with a lot of breading and they are mezonot. There is no safek brachot lehakel here since either way one would exempt any food besides salt and water with a mezonot. Also, Halacha Brurah 208:12, Or Letzion 2:14:19, and Birkat Hashem v. 3 p. 336 all hold that if the coating is thick the bracha on Shnitzel is mezonot.</ref>
* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].]</ref> Some poskim however, hold that all types of shnitzel are mezonot.<ref>Halachos of Brachos p. 79 quoting Rav Elyashiv. Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food.</ref> Lastly, some poskim consider all shnitzel shehakol.<ref> [https://ph.yhb.org.il/10-11-05/ Peninei Halacha (Rabbi Melamed)] writes that all Shnitzel is shehakol. [https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/979192/rabbi-ike-sultan/brachos-chart-for-yu-caf-approved-by-rav-schachter/ Rav Hershel Schachter] agreed. Also, Piskei Teshuvot 208:6 cites the Shevet Halevi 4:161, 6:24, Lehorot Natan 4:9, Cheshev Haefod 3:72, and Beer Moshe 5:61 who say that all shnitzel is shehakol. Shevet Halevi explains that since it is only a crust it is by definition secondary.</ref> The Sephardic minhag is to make [[Mezonot]] if the batter is thick and [[Shehakol]] if it is thin. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). Yet, [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=57967 Rav Yitzchak Yosef Motzei Shabbat Vayhakel Pekudei 5778 min 37] explained that one should recite mezonot on shnitzel nowadays. They used to be shehakol since they were made with a bit of crust but today they're made with a lot of breading and they are mezonot. There is no safek brachot lehakel here since either way one would exempt any food besides salt and water with a mezonot. Also, Halacha Brurah 208:12, Or Letzion 2:14:19, and Birkat Hashem v. 3 p. 336 all hold that if the coating is thick the bracha on Shnitzel is mezonot.</ref>
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref>


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