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# <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref> | # <span id="Shnitzel"></span> Fried chicken or fish (Shnetizel) with a thin batter coating is [[Shehakol]], but if there’s a thick coating the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], yet it's preferable to separate off a piece of coating and a piece of chicken and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the chicken. However, the Sephardic minhag is to make [[Shehakol]] in all cases. <Ref> <br>* Halachos of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Bodner, chap 4, pg 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv that the Bracha would be [[Mezonot]] in all cases in opposition to Rav Moshe, Rav Yacov Kamenetsky, and Rav Sheinburg who said [[Shehakol]] if it was a thin crust. He also quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Sheinburg that if there's a thick coating that one should make [[Mezonot]]. In the Halachos of [[Brachos]] Handbook (pg 13 and 43) he rules like the second opinion that if there's a thin coating the bracha is [[Shehakol]] and if there's a thick coating the bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <br>* VeZot HaBracha (chap 12, pg 109) agrees that if there's a thin crust one should make [[Shehakol]], however, he argues that if there's a thick coating one should separate a piece of the coating and a piece of the meat and make [[Mezonot]] on the coating and [[Shehakol]] on the meat. [See Vezot HaBracha (Birur 19(1), pg 261) where he seems to agree that if there's a thick coating the bracha would be [[Mezonot]] but because of controversy he suggests separating the coating and making two [[brachot]].] <br>* However, Laws of [[Brachos]] (Rabbi Forst, chap 218, pg 218) writes that it seems that the opinion who says that breaded cutlets are [[mezonot]] is correct, but one who wants to satisfy all opinions should make [[mezonot]] on a piece of crust and [[Shehakol]] on another food. <br>* Lastly, Yalkut Yosef ([[Brachot]] (vol 3), pg 426) writes that the bracha is [[Shehakol]] whether it is home made chicken cutlets or restaurant cutlets (where the coating is thicker). </ref> | ||
# For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref> | # For onion rings in the usual case where the coating is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref> | ||
# For knishes in the usual case where the dough is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79) </ref> | # For knishes in the usual case where the dough is substantial, the Bracha is [[mezonot]]. <Ref> Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Pinchas Bodner, chapter 4, pg 79). Shulchan Halevi 3:14:6 p. 38 writes that knishes are mezonot if the crust is thick and filling thin which is commonly the case, however, if the dough is thin and filling thick then it requires two brachot. </ref> | ||
====Bostom Creme Pie==== | ====Bostom Creme Pie==== | ||
# For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref> | # For the bracha on Boston cream pies, if one has the filling as an enhancer of the cake then the bracha is [[Mezonot]], however, if the filling is considered a thick layer for which one has intent to eat (not merely as an enhancer), then make two [[brachot]], [[mezonot]] on the cake, and [[Shehakol]] on the filling. <ref> | ||
