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* Sh”t Trumat HaDeshen 1:31 writes that if one eats a food in order that one will be able to drink wine not on an empty stomach even though it’s secondary it requires a Bracha because the food is eaten before the wine. He then quotes the Or Zaruha who said that if one is eating the seeds before the drink one makes a Shehakol on the seeds and infers that if a secondary item is eaten before the primary food the Bracha would be Shehakol. | * Sh”t Trumat HaDeshen 1:31 writes that if one eats a food in order that one will be able to drink wine not on an empty stomach even though it’s secondary it requires a Bracha because the food is eaten before the wine. He then quotes the Or Zaruha who said that if one is eating the seeds before the drink one makes a Shehakol on the seeds and infers that if a secondary item is eaten before the primary food the Bracha would be Shehakol. | ||
* However, the Bet Yosef 212:1 argued on the Trumat saying that just because it is coming for the purpose of sweetening the drink the Bracha shouldn’t change draws proof from the Rosh who says that if one ate less than a [[Kezayit]] of shivat haminim one shouldn’t make boreh nefashot because the appropriate Bracha doesn’t change is one just eats less than a [[Kezayit]]. The Darkei Moshe 212:2 rejects the Bet Yosef explaining that having the secondary food first requires a Bracha because one may not enjoy this world without a Bracha but it doesn’t deserve it’s appropriate Bracha since the purpose is secondary, however, if one eats less than the requisite amount the Bracha doesn’t change because one’s purpose was normal eating. The Rama 212:1 rules like the Trumat HaDeshen who says that if one ate the secondary item first one should only make a Shehakol on it. | * However, the Bet Yosef 212:1 argued on the Trumat saying that just because it is coming for the purpose of sweetening the drink the Bracha shouldn’t change draws proof from the Rosh who says that if one ate less than a [[Kezayit]] of shivat haminim one shouldn’t make boreh nefashot because the appropriate Bracha doesn’t change is one just eats less than a [[Kezayit]]. The Darkei Moshe 212:2 rejects the Bet Yosef explaining that having the secondary food first requires a Bracha because one may not enjoy this world without a Bracha but it doesn’t deserve it’s appropriate Bracha since the purpose is secondary, however, if one eats less than the requisite amount the Bracha doesn’t change because one’s purpose was normal eating. The Rama 212:1 rules like the Trumat HaDeshen who says that if one ate the secondary item first one should only make a Shehakol on it. | ||
* Mishna Brurah 212:10 and Beiur Halacha | * Mishna Brurah 212:10 and Beiur Halacha s.v. VeAyno quotes many achronim who disagree with the Rama. Mishna Brurah concludes that one should avoid this situation by eating the primary food first. </ref> | ||
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# Many authorities hold that cheese cake is [[Mezonot]] in the usual case where the cheese and crust are baked together. However, some say that the bracha is Shehakol unless there’s a thick crust in which case the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref> | # Many authorities hold that cheese cake is [[Mezonot]] in the usual case where the cheese and crust are baked together. However, some say that the bracha is Shehakol unless there’s a thick crust in which case the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. <ref> | ||
* In Gemara Brachot 36b, Rav and Shmuel say that anything which has (flour from) the five grains is mezonot. (This is known the rule of Kol SheYesh Bo.) This is quoted by the Rif (Brachot 26a), Rosh (Brachot 6:7), and Rambam (Brachot 3:4) and codified by Tur and S"A 208:2. | * In Gemara Brachot 36b, Rav and Shmuel say that anything which has (flour from) the five grains is mezonot. (This is known the rule of Kol SheYesh Bo.) This is quoted by the Rif (Brachot 26a), Rosh (Brachot 6:7), and Rambam (Brachot 3:4) and codified by Tur and S"A 208:2. | ||
* Tosfot 36b | * Tosfot 36b s.v. Kol writes that if the flour is added in order to fill one up then the food is [[Mezonot]], whereas if it’s added as a binding agent it’s not mezonot. Moreover, the Rashba (Brachot 36b s.v. Duvsha) writes that if the flour is added in order to give a taste or make the food more fit for consumption the Bracha is [[Mezonot]]. This is quoted by the Bet Yosef 208:2 and codified as halacha by the Mishna Brurah 208:7. The Rambam (Brachot 3:6) writes that if the flour was added as a binding agent or only in order to impart a color or smell the food isn’t mezonot because of the flour. | ||
* Vezot HaBracha (chap 11, pg 92) writes that if the cheese layer is baked together with the crust layer the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] based on Kol SheYesh Bo. | * Vezot HaBracha (chap 11, pg 92) writes that if the cheese layer is baked together with the crust layer the Bracha is [[Mezonot]] based on Kol SheYesh Bo. | ||
* Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, chap 7, pg 219) writes in general the crust is used to add flavor and if so the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], however if the crust is only meant to hold the cheese the Bracha is Shehakol. The [http://www.ou.org/publications/brachot/default.htm OU] agrees. | * Laws of Brachos (Rabbi Forst, chap 7, pg 219) writes in general the crust is used to add flavor and if so the Bracha is [[Mezonot]], however if the crust is only meant to hold the cheese the Bracha is Shehakol. The [http://www.ou.org/publications/brachot/default.htm OU] agrees. | ||
