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==Crock pot==
==Crock pot==
# Leaving food in a crock pot from before [[Shabbat]] is permitted if the food is cooking for [[Shabbat]] day and the knob is covered. <Ref>Reasons to permit: 1)There are some Rishonim that permit Hatmana if the food is meant to be eaten the next day. [Shibolei HaLeket 57 in name of Rabbenu Simcha says that Shehiya is permitted if a person has two pots and the one that’s cooking for [[Shabbat]] day is separate from the pot cooking for Friday night. Rabbenu Binyamin (quoted by Shibolei HaLeket), Mordechai ([[Shabbat]] 3:300), Rabbenu Yishaya HaRishon ([[Shabbat]] Bameh Tomnin), and Ravan ([[Shabbat]] 338) concerning Hatmana allow something that is set aside for the next day.] Rama 257:1 rules like these opinions. However Bet Yosef 253:1(4) concludes that this seemingly goes against many of the Mefarshim that are brought in the following Siman. 2) There is a dispute in the Rishonim whether there is Hatmana when the food is touching the coals even though the food itself isn’t covered. S”A 253:1 end of saif rules (based on Rosh ([[Shabbat]] 3:1), Tur 253:1, Ran 15b D”H Kirah, and Magid Mishna 3:4 in name of Rambam) that if the pot is touching the coals directly it’s forbidden to do hatmana in any case. However Rama 253:1 says that there are those who permit (namely, Mordechai ([[Shabbat]] 299, Hagot Maimon 7:20, and Or Zaruh 2:8 pg 3c) and so is the Minhag. Chazon Ish 37:19 argues on this Rama and follows S”A. Some distinguish between the pot directly on the coals and where there’s a small airspace in between including Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 257:43) and Shulchan Aruch HaRav 257:10 (based on Ritva [[Shabbat]] 47b). Thus, Chazon Ovadyah (1 pg 64) argues that the small airspace is reason to permit even according to S”A, while Shulchan Shlomo 257:13 doesn’t consider the airspace as an interference between the coals and the pot because that’s the way it cooks. Those who permit: Rav Vosner (Kovetz MeBet Levi 9, [[Shabbat]] LeYisrael pg 373), Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 9:52, and Rav Moshe Feinstein (Sefer Otzrot Ha[[Shabbat]] and Sefer Matmin UMevashel Beshabbat quote it in his name) permit (according to the Rama). Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 64) permits according to S”A based on a Safeka Safeka, and the small airspace, as long as one covers the knob to serve as a reminder. [see http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=8/24/2008 who quotes Rav Ovadyah.] Those who forbid: Rav Shlomo Aurbach in Shulchan Shlomo 257:13 forbids. Rav Elyashiv commonly quoted “in his name” (as in Sefer Otzrot Ha[[Shabbat]] and Sefer Matmin UMevashel Beshabbat) as forbidding the crock pot, however Shbbat hayom recounts that he and his friend Rabbi Ofir Malka showed Rav Elyashiv the pot and Rav Elyashiv permitted it according to the Rama. </ref>
# Leaving food in a crock pot from before [[Shabbat]] is permitted if the food is cooking for [[Shabbat]] day and the knob is covered. <Ref>Reasons to permit: 1)There are some Rishonim that permit Hatmana if the food is meant to be eaten the next day. [Shibolei HaLeket 57 in name of Rabbenu Simcha says that Shehiya is permitted if a person has two pots and the one that’s cooking for [[Shabbat]] day is separate from the pot cooking for Friday night. Rabbenu Binyamin (quoted by Shibolei HaLeket), Mordechai ([[Shabbat]] 3:300), Rabbenu Yishaya HaRishon ([[Shabbat]] Bameh Tomnin), and Ravan ([[Shabbat]] 338) concerning Hatmana allow something that is set aside for the next day.] Rama 257:1 rules like these opinions. However Bet Yosef 253:1(4) concludes that this seemingly goes against many of the Mefarshim that are brought in the following Siman. 2) There is a dispute in the Rishonim whether there is Hatmana when the food is touching the coals even though the food itself isn’t covered. S”A 253:1 end of saif rules (based on Rosh ([[Shabbat]] 3:1), Tur 253:1, Ran 15b D”H Kirah, and Magid Mishna 3:4 in name of Rambam) that if the pot is touching the coals directly it’s forbidden to do hatmana in any case. However Rama 253:1 says that there are those who permit (namely, Mordechai ([[Shabbat]] 299, Hagahot Maimon 7:20, and Or Zaruh 2:8 pg 3c) and so is the Minhag. Chazon Ish 37:19 argues on this Rama and follows S”A. Some distinguish between the pot directly on the coals and where there’s a small airspace in between including Mishna Brurah (Shaar Tzion 257:43) and Shulchan Aruch HaRav 257:10 (based on Ritva [[Shabbat]] 47b). Thus, Chazon Ovadyah (1 pg 64) argues that the small airspace is reason to permit even according to S”A, while Shulchan Shlomo 257:13 doesn’t consider the airspace as an interference between the coals and the pot because that’s the way it cooks. Those who permit: Rav Vosner (Kovetz MeBet Levi 9, [[Shabbat]] LeYisrael pg 373), Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 9:52, and Rav Moshe Feinstein (Sefer Otzrot Ha[[Shabbat]] and Sefer Matmin UMevashel Beshabbat quote it in his name) permit (according to the Rama). Chazon Ovadyah ([[Shabbat]] 1 pg 64) permits according to S”A based on a Safeka Safeka, and the small airspace, as long as one covers the knob to serve as a reminder. [see http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=8/24/2008 who quotes Rav Ovadyah.] Those who forbid: Rav Shlomo Aurbach in Shulchan Shlomo 257:13 forbids. Rav Elyashiv commonly quoted “in his name” (as in Sefer Otzrot Ha[[Shabbat]] and Sefer Matmin UMevashel Beshabbat) as forbidding the crock pot, however Shbbat hayom recounts that he and his friend Rabbi Ofir Malka showed Rav Elyashiv the pot and Rav Elyashiv permitted it according to the Rama. </ref>


==Thermos==
==Thermos==