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#The Bracha on wine is [[HaGefen]]. <ref>Mishna [[Brachot]] 35a, Shulchan Aruch 202:1, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 49:1</ref> | #The Bracha on wine is [[HaGefen]].<ref>Mishna [[Brachot]] 35a, Shulchan Aruch 202:1, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 49:1</ref> | ||
#The Bracha on grape juice is [[HaGefen]]. However, pasteurized grape juice made from grape juice is Shehakol and unfit for kiddush.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Minchat Shlomo 1:4 explains that really wine is only hagefen if it can be intoxicating as we see by the laws of Nesachim (and is understood from the pasuk Bamidbar 28:7). However, grape juice that was pasteurized and can't be intoxicating is nonetheless hagefen since the cooking is considered a positive change that leaves it as edible and not something that would remove its bracha. However, once the pasteurized grape juice is diluted it can't be hagefen since that’s not wine. The idea that diluted wine is still hagefen (Rama 204:5) only applies to wine which is intoxicating. He explains that the same should be true for kiddush that diluted pasteurized grape juice is unfit since it was changed by cooking and the dilution can’t grant it the status of reconstituted wine since diluting doesn’t make it as good as pure juice. Halichot Shlomo v. 2 p. 218 9:12 writes that Rav Shlomo Zalman had a doubt whether grape juice from concentrate is shehakol.</ref> | #The Bracha on grape juice is [[HaGefen]]. However, pasteurized grape juice made from grape juice is Shehakol and unfit for kiddush.<ref>Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach in Minchat Shlomo 1:4 explains that really wine is only hagefen if it can be intoxicating as we see by the laws of Nesachim (and is understood from the pasuk Bamidbar 28:7). However, grape juice that was pasteurized and can't be intoxicating is nonetheless hagefen since the cooking is considered a positive change that leaves it as edible and not something that would remove its bracha. However, once the pasteurized grape juice is diluted it can't be hagefen since that’s not wine. The idea that diluted wine is still hagefen (Rama 204:5) only applies to wine which is intoxicating. He explains that the same should be true for kiddush that diluted pasteurized grape juice is unfit since it was changed by cooking and the dilution can’t grant it the status of reconstituted wine since diluting doesn’t make it as good as pure juice. Halichot Shlomo v. 2 p. 218 9:12 writes that Rav Shlomo Zalman had a doubt whether grape juice from concentrate is shehakol.</ref> | ||
#If one wishes to mix grape juice with wine for kiddush, he may do so, even mixing 3 times more grape juice than wine.<ref>R. Elyashiv, Shevut Yitzchok 4., p. 128., quoted in Mishna Berura / Dirshu 272:6.</ref> | #If one wishes to mix grape juice with wine for kiddush, he may do so, even mixing 3 times more grape juice than wine.<ref>R. Elyashiv, Shevut Yitzchok 4., p. 128., quoted in Mishna Berura / Dirshu 272:6.</ref> | ||
