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#Unlike Ashkenazic practice, Sephardim are strict not to allow any adhesions on the lungs<ref>The Tur 39:10 writes that the Rashba (Torat Habayit 2:3 34b, responsa 1:304) wrote vehemently against the practice of rubbing off adhesions and held that anyone who does that is feeding terefot to the Jewish people. Rabbenu Tam (as cited by Rabbenu Yerucham in beginning of Bet Yosef 39:10:2) and Rambam (Shechita 11:7-8) as understood by Rav Dovid Ibn Yichya (Terefot n. 14, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1) agree with the Rashba. Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 39:10 codifies the opinion of the Rashba. Rav Ovadia (Yachava Daat 3:56, Yabia Omer YD 5:3) quotes many other Sephardi poskim who accept the opinion of the Rashba.</ref> Even according to Sephardim, an adhesion that is easily removed by the passing of a hand gently is permitted.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 39:13 quotes Rabbenu Simcha Mvitri who allows an adhesion which was removed by the passing of the hand of a bodek. The Shulchan Aruch's language is even if the hand passed briskly, however, the Taz 39:16 quotes the Maharshal who only allows the passing of the hand gently. This is language of the [https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU]: "even the Beis Yosef would agree that adhesions that are so tenuous as to separate with ease, via the simple passing-through of the hands of the bodek, are likewise acceptable, and are considered ‘ririn.’"
#Unlike Ashkenazic practice, Sephardim are strict not to allow any adhesions on the lungs<ref>The Tur 39:10 writes that the Rashba (Torat Habayit 2:3 34b, responsa 1:304) wrote vehemently against the practice of rubbing off adhesions and held that anyone who does that is feeding terefot to the Jewish people. Rabbenu Tam (as cited by Rabbenu Yerucham in beginning of Bet Yosef 39:10:2) and Rambam (Shechita 11:7-8) as understood by Rav Dovid Ibn Yichya (Terefot n. 14, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1) agree with the Rashba. Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 39:10 codifies the opinion of the Rashba. Rav Ovadia (Yachava Daat 3:56, Yabia Omer YD 5:3) quotes many other Sephardi poskim who accept the opinion of the Rashba.</ref> Even according to Sephardim, an adhesion that is easily removed by the passing of a hand gently is permitted.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 39:13 quotes Rabbenu Simcha Mvitri who allows an adhesion which was removed by the passing of the hand of a bodek. The Shulchan Aruch's language is even if the hand passed briskly, however, the Taz 39:16 quotes the Maharshal who only allows the passing of the hand gently. This is language of the [https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU]: "even the Beis Yosef would agree that adhesions that are so tenuous as to separate with ease, via the simple passing-through of the hands of the bodek, are likewise acceptable, and are considered ‘ririn.’"
* Another practice that isn't as serious as rubbing is shaking the lungs to remove any parts of the lungs that are stuck. Rishonim who allow shaking:
* Another practice that isn't as serious as rubbing is shaking the lungs to remove any parts of the lungs that are stuck. Rishonim who allow shaking:
Mar Yakov Goan (Tur 39:10), Rosh (Chullin 3:14, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1), Rabbenu Yerucham (15:5:6 124a, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1). Beit Yosef 39:10:2 writes that it seems that Rabbenu Yerucham understands that the Rashba would forbid shaking, but Rav Dovid Ibn Yichiya understands that the Rashba would allow it. Discussion in Beit Yosef if shaking only works for a sircha from the lungs to other places or even within the lungs. Today, the Bet Yosef 39:10:2 writes that we don't shake the lungs today because we're not experts in how to do it. Taz 39:15 and Shach 39:31 agree.</ref> at all.<ref>[https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU] writes "Rabbi Yosef Karo said that that NO adhesions are permitted: one cannot risk their removal, for adhesions do not cover an existing hole. Rather, they develop, and afterwards can detach, and create a hole. We dare not toy with these adhesions, lest we give the animal the appearance of kosher status. This is the (aforementioned) view of the Rashba. “Those authorities require only ‘chalak,’ or totally smooth lungs. This standard is known as ‘Chalak Beit Yosef,’ smooth, as per the Beis Yosef,” Rabbi Klarberg said." This is also the view of [https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/3473/making-the-cut-assuring-that-glatt-really-means-kosher/ Rav Moshe Heinemann] that Bet Yosef means that there are no adhesions at all. </ref>
Mar Yakov Goan (Tur 39:10), Rosh (Chullin 3:14, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1), Rabbenu Yerucham (15:5:6 124a, cited by Bet Yosef 39:10:1). Beit Yosef 39:10:2 writes that it seems that Rabbenu Yerucham understands that the Rashba would forbid shaking, but Rav Dovid Ibn Yichiya understands that the Rashba would allow it. Discussion in Beit Yosef if shaking only works for a sircha from the lungs to other places or even within the lungs. Today, the Bet Yosef 39:10:2 writes that we don't shake the lungs today because we're not experts in how to do it. Taz 39:15 and Shach 39:31 agree.</ref> at all.<ref>[https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU] writes "Rabbi Yosef Karo said that that NO adhesions are permitted: one cannot risk their removal, for adhesions do not cover an existing hole. Rather, they develop, and afterwards can detach, and create a hole. We dare not toy with these adhesions, lest we give the animal the appearance of kosher status. This is the (aforementioned) view of the Rashba. “Those authorities require only ‘chalak,’ or totally smooth lungs. This standard is known as ‘Chalak Beit Yosef,’ smooth, as per the Beis Yosef,” Rabbi Klarberg said." This is also the view of [https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/3473/making-the-cut-assuring-that-glatt-really-means-kosher/ Rav Moshe Heinemann] that Bet Yosef means that there are no adhesions at all. This seems to be the opinion of [http://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=177 Rav Ovadia Yosef] as well.</ref>
# Sephardim need to be careful to only eat "Bet Yosef" meat because according to Shulchan Aruch even "Glatt Kosher" meat isn't kosher.<Ref>Yabia Omer YD 5:3. Some claim that there are slaughterhouses in America that market their meat as Bet Yosef, but, in fact, [http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/6918/ it is not Bet Yosef]. Rather, it's just meat from South America or labeled such using a lenient definition of what is considered Bet Yosef. One should consult with a rabbi who has extensive knowledge of the Kashrut industry ''and'' Sephardic Halacha to determine which brands are acceptable.</ref>
# Sephardim need to be careful to only eat "Bet Yosef" meat because according to Shulchan Aruch even "Glatt Kosher" meat isn't kosher.<Ref>Yabia Omer YD 5:3. Some claim that there are slaughterhouses in America that market their meat as Bet Yosef, but, in fact, [http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/6918/ it is not Bet Yosef]. Rather, it's just meat from South America or labeled such using a lenient definition of what is considered Bet Yosef. One should consult with a rabbi who has extensive knowledge of the Kashrut industry ''and'' Sephardic Halacha to determine which brands are acceptable.</ref>
# If a Sephardi is traveling and is invited to a place where they eat "Glatt Kosher" but not "Bet Yosef" it is permitted for him to eat with them, especially if it is a seudat mitzvah.<ref>Yabia Omer YD 5:3 quotes the Dvar Shmuel Avuhav 320 who is lenient for a Sephardi who is traveling to eat regular kosher meat since there's a safek safeka. 1) The meat might be completely kosher even according to the Bet Yosef. 2) Maybe the Rama is correct. Even though generally we need to check out a safek safeka if possible (efshar livarer) the Bach 437 holds that is only true of checking about an action if it was done properly but not to check out if something naturally occurred. Also, the Bet Yosef 437 holds that it is only true of checking if there's a chazaka of isur but if there's no chazaka one doesn't have to check. (See Magen Avraham 437 and Shach YD 187:19 who agree with Bet Yosef.) Therefore, after the lungs were checked to be Glatt there's a chazaka the animal is kosher and the chance of it being non-Bet-Yosef is considered something one doesn't have to check into. In conclusion of this question the Rashba (Chullin 53b) and Shach (Klalei Safek Safeka 110:35) seem to hold that one does need to check the facts of a safek safeka if possible, yet the Shaar Hamelech (Mikvaot Klalim n. 3) argues. Also, since the host might not know, it could be embarrassing to ask, and it might cause a fight one can rely on the opinions that one doesn't need to check into a safek safeka.</ref>
# If a Sephardi is traveling and is invited to a place where they eat "Glatt Kosher" but not "Bet Yosef" it is permitted for him to eat with them, especially if it is a seudat mitzvah.<ref>Yabia Omer YD 5:3 quotes the Dvar Shmuel Avuhav 320 who is lenient for a Sephardi who is traveling to eat regular kosher meat since there's a safek safeka. 1) The meat might be completely kosher even according to the Bet Yosef. 2) Maybe the Rama is correct. Even though generally we need to check out a safek safeka if possible (efshar livarer) the Bach 437 holds that is only true of checking about an action if it was done properly but not to check out if something naturally occurred. Also, the Bet Yosef 437 holds that it is only true of checking if there's a chazaka of isur but if there's no chazaka one doesn't have to check. (See Magen Avraham 437 and Shach YD 187:19 who agree with Bet Yosef.) Therefore, after the lungs were checked to be Glatt there's a chazaka the animal is kosher and the chance of it being non-Bet-Yosef is considered something one doesn't have to check into. In conclusion of this question the Rashba (Chullin 53b) and Shach (Klalei Safek Safeka 110:35) seem to hold that one does need to check the facts of a safek safeka if possible, yet the Shaar Hamelech (Mikvaot Klalim n. 3) argues. Also, since the host might not know, it could be embarrassing to ask, and it might cause a fight one can rely on the opinions that one doesn't need to check into a safek safeka.</ref>
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