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* The Tur 39:10 writes that the minhag in some places is that they would shake the lungs to remove any adhesions because any adhesions that come off aren't really adhesions since a real adhesion would stay in place even if you rubbed it all day. The minhag cited by the Rama was to crush, rub, and peel off the adhesions and if they come off completely it is kosher. | * The Tur 39:10 writes that the minhag in some places is that they would shake the lungs to remove any adhesions because any adhesions that come off aren't really adhesions since a real adhesion would stay in place even if you rubbed it all day. The minhag cited by the Rama was to crush, rub, and peel off the adhesions and if they come off completely it is kosher. | ||
* Rishonim who allow mishmush: Minhag of some places (Tur 39:10), Ri Halavan (Kol Bo 101, cited by Bet Yosef 39:11-2), Kol Bo (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Mahari Vayil (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Maharash (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Rosh (according to Maharshal cited by Shach 39:33), Rama 39:13. See also Rabbenu Yerucham (cited by end of Bet Yosef 39:10:2) quoting the lenient position of Chachmei Lunil and Narvona.</ref> While some limit this minhag to adhesions in certain places and only rubbing and scraping, others expand the minhag to include adhesions of all kinds<ref>Rama is only lenient if the adhesions are ksidran, but for shelo ksidran he says not to do mishmush unless it is a hefsed merubeh. Bach 39:15 writes that the minhag is to do mishmush in all cases even shelo ksidran even if it isn't a hefsed and it isn't necessary to protest. Shach 39:37 agrees. | * Rishonim who allow mishmush: Minhag of some places (Tur 39:10), Ri Halavan (Kol Bo 101, cited by Bet Yosef 39:11-2), Kol Bo (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Mahari Vayil (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Maharash (cited by Darkei Moshe 39:20), Rosh (according to Maharshal cited by Shach 39:33), Rama 39:13. See also Rabbenu Yerucham (cited by end of Bet Yosef 39:10:2) quoting the lenient position of Chachmei Lunil and Narvona.</ref> While some limit this minhag to adhesions in certain places and only rubbing and scraping, others expand the minhag to include adhesions of all kinds<ref>Rama is only lenient if the adhesions are ksidran, but for shelo ksidran he says not to do mishmush unless it is a hefsed merubeh. Bach 39:15 writes that the minhag is to do mishmush in all cases even shelo ksidran even if it isn't a hefsed and it isn't necessary to protest. Shach 39:37 agrees. | ||
</ref> and even allow scraping.<ref>Pri Megadim M"Z 39:17 (cited by Pitchei Teshuva 39:14) forbids scrapping off a adhesion and if the bodek does so the animal is teref. This is implied by Taz 39:17. However, Tiferet Tzvi and Chatom Sofer cited by Pitchei Teshuva 39:14 say that there's something for this minhag of scraping off the sirchot to rely upon. Aruch Hashulchan 39:109 agrees.</ref> The mainstay of Ashkenazic poskim accept and support this minhag.<ref>Rama 39:13, Maharshal (cited by Shach 39:33), and Taz 39:17 all accept the minhag of rubbing off adhesions. Gra 39:26 seems to be strict. Rav Ovadia (Yachava Daat 3:56, Yabia Omer YD 5:3) also quotes the Shlah and Chayei Adam who are strict.</ref> The term ''glatt'' refers to a higher standard in removing adhesions that today has become accepted as the proper standard for Orthodox Jews.<ref>The [https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU] describes that the practice of gently peeling off adhesions and is better than the manipulation of mashing and massaging the adhesions of the Rama. They say that this practice which started in the 1890s is considered glatt. Similarly, [https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/3473/making-the-cut-assuring-that-glatt-really-means-kosher/ Rav Moshe Heinemann] defines Glatt as lungs with adhesions that were exceptionally thin and the adhesion peeled off easily, while kosher means the adhesions were thicker and wider. </ref> | </ref> and even allow scraping.<ref>Pri Megadim M"Z 39:17 (cited by Pitchei Teshuva 39:14) forbids scrapping off a adhesion and if the bodek does so the animal is teref. This is implied by Taz 39:17. However, Tiferet Tzvi and Chatom Sofer cited by Pitchei Teshuva 39:14 say that there's something for this minhag of scraping off the sirchot to rely upon. Aruch Hashulchan 39:109 agrees.</ref> The mainstay of Ashkenazic poskim accept and support this minhag.<ref>Rama 39:13, Maharshal (cited by Shach 39:33), and Taz 39:17 all accept the minhag of rubbing off adhesions. Gra 39:26 seems to be strict. Rav Ovadia (Yachava Daat 3:56, Yabia Omer YD 5:3) also quotes the Shlah and Chayei Adam who are strict.</ref> The term ''glatt'' refers to a higher standard in removing adhesions that today has become accepted as the proper standard for Orthodox Jews.<ref>The [https://oukosher.org/blog/feature/what-exactly-is-glatt-kosher/ OU] describes that the practice of gently peeling off adhesions and is better than the manipulation of mashing and massaging the adhesions of the Rama. They say that this practice which started in the 1890s is considered glatt. Similarly, [https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/3473/making-the-cut-assuring-that-glatt-really-means-kosher/ Rav Moshe Heinemann] defines Glatt as lungs with adhesions that were exceptionally thin and the adhesion peeled off easily, while kosher means the adhesions were thicker and wider. Hakashrut Lmaaseh p. 76 writes that up to three adhesions that are removed easily it is still called glatt. Yeshurun v. 28 p. 374 has a letter from Rav Yekutiel Efrati that Rav Elyashiv held that adhesions that are removed very easily with passing a hand gently like spiderwebs (קורי עכביש) and not rubbing should still be labled chalak but not chalak bet yosef. [http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/6918/ Rav Shein] said that Rav Machpud's standard of bet yosef is that the lung is smooth like marble and not sticky paper or spiderwebs (קורי עכביש). </ref> | ||
==Bet Yosef vs Glatt== | ==Bet Yosef vs Glatt== | ||
