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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all.<ref> Shemirat <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>Shabbat<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </del>KeHilchata 13:35</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all.<ref> Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 13:35</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#If the electronic is expensive enough that the owner is careful to make it doesn’t get broken, the electronic [[Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis]] according to everyone. <ref>Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50), Shalmei Yehuda (pg 40)</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#If the electronic is expensive enough that the owner is careful to make it doesn’t get broken, the electronic [[Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis]] according to everyone. <ref>Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50), Shalmei Yehuda (pg 40)</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#If the electronic is expensive enough that the owner is careful to make it doesn’t get broken, the electronic [[Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis]] according to everyone <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</del>Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50), Shalmei Yehuda (pg 40)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">).</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#If the electronic is expensive enough that the owner is careful to make it doesn’t get broken, the electronic [[Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis]] according to everyone<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. <ref></ins>Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50), Shalmei Yehuda (pg 40)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Binyamin Zilber who holds that if the electronic is only turned off it’s still a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur. Sefer Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50) quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein who holds that if the electronic isn’t a Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis because of its value, it’s only a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur (this seemingly includes when it’s turned off). [Similarly, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 concerning flashlights The Weekly Halacha Discussion (vol 2 pg 338) concerning toasters agree with Rav Moshe in considering them Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur.]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Binyamin Zilber who holds that if the electronic is only turned off it’s still a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>. Sefer Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 50) quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein who holds that if the electronic isn’t a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>because of its value, it’s only a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>(this seemingly includes when it’s turned off). [Similarly, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 concerning flashlights The Weekly Halacha Discussion (vol 2 pg 338) concerning toasters agree with Rav Moshe in considering them <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>.]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># However, Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37, 40) quoting Rav Elyashiv considers electronics that are turned off to be broken instruments and so they are Muktzeh Machmat Gufo. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># However, Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37, 40) quoting Rav Elyashiv considers electronics that are turned off to be broken instruments and so they are <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Muktzeh Machmat Gufo<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Sh”t Igrot Moshe 3:49, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:33, Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef (Halichot Olam pg 194), and Rav Elyashiv (quoted by Shalmei Yehuda pg 37, 51) consider electronics that are on and are useable on [[Shabbat]] are considered Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur, while Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who considers them Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter. [It seems Rav Moshe really holds electronics are Kli SheMelachto LeHeter, see Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 5:23.]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Sh”t Igrot Moshe 3:49, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:33, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>(Halichot Olam pg 194), and Rav Elyashiv (quoted by Shalmei Yehuda pg 37, 51) consider electronics that are on and are useable on [[Shabbat]] are considered <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, while Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>who considers them Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter. [It seems Rav Moshe really holds electronics are <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Kli SheMelachto LeHeter<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, see Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 5:23.]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Shabbat<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td></tr>
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2012-03-05T14:17:49Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>Shabbat<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </del>KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td></tr>
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YitzchakSultan: Text replace - "Shabbat" to "Shabbat"
2012-03-04T14:46:47Z
<p>Text replace - "Shabbat" to "<a href="/index.php?title=Shabbat" title="Shabbat">Shabbat</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Binyamin Zilber who holds that if the electronic is only turned off it’s still a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur. Sefer Tiltulei Shabbat (pg 50) quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein who holds that if the electronic isn’t a Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis because of its value, it’s only a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur (this seemingly includes when it’s turned off). [Similarly, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 concerning flashlights The Weekly Halacha Discussion (vol 2 pg 338) concerning toasters agree with Rav Moshe in considering them Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur.]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Binyamin Zilber who holds that if the electronic is only turned off it’s still a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur. Sefer Tiltulei <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Shabbat<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>(pg 50) quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein who holds that if the electronic isn’t a Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis because of its value, it’s only a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur (this seemingly includes when it’s turned off). [Similarly, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 concerning flashlights The Weekly Halacha Discussion (vol 2 pg 338) concerning toasters agree with Rav Moshe in considering them Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur.]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># However, Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37, 40) quoting Rav Elyashiv considers electronics that are turned off to be broken instruments and so they are Muktzeh Machmat Gufo. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># However, Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37, 40) quoting Rav Elyashiv considers electronics that are turned off to be broken instruments and so they are Muktzeh Machmat Gufo. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==While it’s on ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==While it’s on ==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Sh”t Igrot Moshe 3:49, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:33, Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef (Halichot Olam pg 194), and Rav Elyashiv (quoted by Shalmei Yehuda pg 37, 51) consider electronics that are on and are useable on Shabbat are considered Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur, while Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who considers them Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter. [It seems Rav Moshe really holds electronics are Kli SheMelachto LeHeter, see Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 5:23.]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Sh”t Igrot Moshe 3:49, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:33, Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef (Halichot Olam pg 194), and Rav Elyashiv (quoted by Shalmei Yehuda pg 37, 51) consider electronics that are on and are useable on <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Shabbat<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>are considered Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur, while Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who considers them Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter. [It seems Rav Moshe really holds electronics are Kli SheMelachto LeHeter, see Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 5:23.]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei Shabbat (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Tiltulei <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Shabbat<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>(pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Shabbat<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>KeHilchata 13:35.</div></td></tr>
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>===While it’s off==<br />
# Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Binyamin Zilber who holds that if the electronic is only turned off it’s still a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur. Sefer Tiltulei Shabbat (pg 50) quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein who holds that if the electronic isn’t a Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis because of its value, it’s only a Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur (this seemingly includes when it’s turned off). [Similarly, Zachor VeShamor 41:4 concerning flashlights The Weekly Halacha Discussion (vol 2 pg 338) concerning toasters agree with Rav Moshe in considering them Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur.]<br />
# However, Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37, 40) quoting Rav Elyashiv considers electronics that are turned off to be broken instruments and so they are Muktzeh Machmat Gufo. <br />
==While it’s on ==<br />
# Sh”t Igrot Moshe 3:49, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:33, Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef (Halichot Olam pg 194), and Rav Elyashiv (quoted by Shalmei Yehuda pg 37, 51) consider electronics that are on and are useable on Shabbat are considered Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur, while Shalmei Yehuda (pg 37) quotes Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach who considers them Kli Sh’Melachto LeHeter. [It seems Rav Moshe really holds electronics are Kli SheMelachto LeHeter, see Sh”t Igrot Moshe O”C 5:23.]<br />
# Tiltulei Shabbat (pg 52) quotes Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman who permit moving the fan’s direction even to move the breeze away from him. However, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:31 holds that it’s only permissible to turn the fan blades if one is directing the air towards him, but to direct the blades away from him would be forbidden.<br />
# If moving the electronic will make it turn off or pause, it may not be moved at all- Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 13:35.<br />
==If it’s expensive==<br />
#If the electronic is expensive enough that the owner is careful to make it doesn’t get broken, the electronic Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis according to everyone (Tiltulei Shabbat (pg 50), Shalmei Yehuda (pg 40)).<br />
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ChachamY