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# Counting Jewish names on a list is a dispute. <Ref>Chatan Sofer (Y”D 106) in name of his father the חתם סופר who says that it’s forbidden Deoritta. </ref> | # Counting Jewish names on a list is a dispute. <Ref>Chatan Sofer (Y”D 106) in name of his father the חתם סופר who says that it’s forbidden Deoritta. </ref> | ||
==The census== | ==The census== | ||
# Some hold that participating in the Israeli consenus is permissible | # Some hold that participating in the Israeli consenus is permissible <Ref>Sh”t Shevet HaLevi O”C 9:35, Sh”t Mishpatei Uziel 4:2, Sh"t Seridei Esh 2:48, Menachem Kasher (Sh"t Divrei Menachem 1:36), Rabbi Unterman quoted in Techumin (vol 4 pg 335) </ref> while others forbid. <Ref> Rabbi Goren (HaTzofeh Sivan 5743), Rav Chaim Kanievsky (HaTzofeh vol 15 pg 8 col 1; Nachal Eitan 6:10(7)), Sh"t Tzitz Eliezer 7:3, and the Edah Charedit (HaEdah Behalotcha 5733). For further discussion of census see [[Shevet Halevi]] 6:20, 9:35, Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:387, Tzitz Eliezer 7:3. </ref> | ||
# It's forbidden to count part of Bnei Yisrael just like it is to count all of Bnei Yisrael. <ref>Tzitz Eliezer 7:3(8:5)</ref> | # It's forbidden to count part of Bnei Yisrael just like it is to count all of Bnei Yisrael. <ref>Tzitz Eliezer 7:3(8:5)</ref> | ||
# Just like there is a prohibition on the one counting there's also a prohibition on the one being counted.<ref>Tzitz Eliezer 7:3(8:11)</ref> | # Just like there is a prohibition on the one counting there's also a prohibition on the one being counted.<ref>Tzitz Eliezer 7:3(8:11)</ref> | ||
==Background of the issue== | ==Background of the issue== | ||
The first source which introduces the prohibition of [[counting Jewish people]] is from the פסוק in Ki Tisa כי תשא את ראש בני ישראל לפקדיהם ונתנו איש כפר נפשו ליהוה בפקד אתם ולא יהיה בהם נגף בפקד אתם: Rashi writes that the פסוק implies that the count incurs the Ayin Hara rather they should give half shekels in order to be counted and in this way they’ll be spared from a plague. According to this understanding of the פסוק there’s a general prohibition to count Jews directly and there’s also a danger of incurring a plague. | The first source which introduces the prohibition of [[counting Jewish people]] is from the פסוק in Ki Tisa כי תשא את ראש בני ישראל לפקדיהם ונתנו איש כפר נפשו ליהוה בפקד אתם ולא יהיה בהם נגף בפקד אתם: Rashi writes that the פסוק implies that the count incurs the Ayin Hara rather they should give half shekels in order to be counted and in this way they’ll be spared from a plague. According to this understanding of the פסוק there’s a general prohibition to count Jews directly and there’s also a danger of incurring a plague. | ||
