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* However, [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 104-5 in the note) writes that the Mishna Brurah disagrees with the Chazon ish and concludes that a particle of liquid suffices and that the Taz’s leniency would apply to dry foods. The [[Shabbat]] kitchen explains that the reason of the Taz’s leniency is because of it’s not similar to the way borer is normally done.  
* However, [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 104-5 in the note) writes that the Mishna Brurah disagrees with the Chazon ish and concludes that a particle of liquid suffices and that the Taz’s leniency would apply to dry foods. The [[Shabbat]] kitchen explains that the reason of the Taz’s leniency is because of it’s not similar to the way borer is normally done.  
* Iglai Tal #6 writes that the Taz’s leniency only allows you to do it right before the eating. [[Shabbos]] Kitchen argues that it should be permitted even for storing away. Menuchat Ahava 7:11 agrees. See Sh”t [[Tefillah]] lemoshe 1:49(9) who argues on the Chazon Ish.</ref> Nonetheless, one should make sure that one remove a substantial amount of good together with the bad. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 421) </ref>
* Iglai Tal #6 writes that the Taz’s leniency only allows you to do it right before the eating. [[Shabbos]] Kitchen argues that it should be permitted even for storing away. Menuchat Ahava 7:11 agrees. See Sh”t [[Tefillah]] lemoshe 1:49(9) who argues on the Chazon Ish.</ref> Nonetheless, one should make sure that one remove a substantial amount of good together with the bad. <ref> The 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 3 pg 421) </ref>
# If one has food in one’s mouth one may remove what you want from what you don’t want. <Ref> Igrot Moshe O”C 4:74 Borer 7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:11, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) </ref>
# If one has food in one’s mouth one may remove what you don't want from what you want. <Ref> Igrot Moshe O”C 4:74 Borer 7, Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:11, and [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) </ref>
# If a food has a peel that covers it entirely one may remove the part that’s unwanted (peel) from the part that’s desired (fruit), however this action must be done right before the meal and with one's hand. <Ref> S”A 321:19, Beiur Halacha 321:19 s.v. LeKlof, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:11), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:29 </ref>
# If a food has a peel that covers it entirely one may remove the part that’s unwanted (peel) from the part that’s desired (fruit), however this action must be done right before the meal and with one's hand. <Ref> S”A 321:19, Beiur Halacha 321:19 s.v. LeKlof, Menuchat Ahava (vol 2 7:11), and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:29 </ref>
# Where it’s impossible to separate the food from the waste it’s permissible to take out the waste. For example, one who cuts open a cantaloupe may scoop out the seeds and leave the fruit. <Ref>[[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) in name of Rav Scheinberg </ref>
# Where it’s impossible to separate the food from the waste it’s permissible to take out the waste. For example, one who cuts open a cantaloupe may scoop out the seeds and leave the fruit. <Ref>[[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103) in name of Rav Scheinberg </ref>
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# It’s permissible to separate a food that’s not desired now but desired for later in the same meal from another food that’s desired right now. <Ref> [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:65 </ref>
# It’s permissible to separate a food that’s not desired now but desired for later in the same meal from another food that’s desired right now. <Ref> [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (pg 103), Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:65 </ref>
===Examples===
===Examples===
# It’s permissible to remove a sticker or label on [[challah]], but one should be careful to take off some crust with it. <ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# It’s permissible to remove a sticker, label, or foil stuck to [[challah]], as long as it is done right before eating. <ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# One may remove honeydew or other melon seeds which are concentrated in the center of the fruit if done right before eating. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:33 </ref>
# One may remove honeydew or other melon seeds which are concentrated in the center of the fruit if done right before eating. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:33 </ref>
# A knife isn’t considered a vessel designated for borer and may be used to peel. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
# A knife isn’t considered a vessel designated for borer and may be used to peel. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:31 </ref>
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# Some say that the time limit for separating food from other food has a longer time period that separating food from waste, however, Ashkenazim shouldn’t rely on this, and Sephardim shouldn’t rely on this unless there’s a great need. <Ref>Rambam ([[Shabbat]] 8:13) writes that one violates Borer if one separates for later in the day such as separating in the morning with intent to eat in the evening. Bet Yosef (319:1-3; Bet Yosef is the author of S”A) explains that the Rambam holds that by separating two foods (one that’s wanted and one unwanted) one is permitted to separate even if one will eat it in the next 3-4 hours, whereas separating a food from a refuse is permitted to only immediately prior to a meal. [Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 278) quotes Rabbi Moshe Hershler’s notes to Ramban (note 158) who explains that by food and refuse, separating makes the food edible and that’s only permissible if one eats it immediately, however by two foods, separating is only forbidden as it sets aside two foods and that only is forbidden if it’s stored away for a long time.] S”A 319:1-3 uses the same language of the Rambam which implies that S”A holds of the distinction he made in the words of the Rambam. So writes the Machasit HaShekel 319:6. However, Beiur Halacha (319:3 s.v. SheBirer) quotes the Tosefet [[Shabbat]] and Maaseh Rokeach who argue on the distinction of the Bet Yosef and the language of the Rambam is just imprecise. This is also the opinion of the Mishna Brurah 319:16. However, Rama 319:1 rules that it is only permitted to separate right before a meal, seemingly making no difference whether it’s separating between food and refuse or between two foods. So writes the Machasit HaShekel 319:6 (in explanation of Rama). Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 278) brings two opinions on this issue and even though that in the footnote it sounds like it’s permissible because of a Sfek Safeka, he concludes by leaving it unresolved. </ref>
# Some say that the time limit for separating food from other food has a longer time period that separating food from waste, however, Ashkenazim shouldn’t rely on this, and Sephardim shouldn’t rely on this unless there’s a great need. <Ref>Rambam ([[Shabbat]] 8:13) writes that one violates Borer if one separates for later in the day such as separating in the morning with intent to eat in the evening. Bet Yosef (319:1-3; Bet Yosef is the author of S”A) explains that the Rambam holds that by separating two foods (one that’s wanted and one unwanted) one is permitted to separate even if one will eat it in the next 3-4 hours, whereas separating a food from a refuse is permitted to only immediately prior to a meal. [Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 278) quotes Rabbi Moshe Hershler’s notes to Ramban (note 158) who explains that by food and refuse, separating makes the food edible and that’s only permissible if one eats it immediately, however by two foods, separating is only forbidden as it sets aside two foods and that only is forbidden if it’s stored away for a long time.] S”A 319:1-3 uses the same language of the Rambam which implies that S”A holds of the distinction he made in the words of the Rambam. So writes the Machasit HaShekel 319:6. However, Beiur Halacha (319:3 s.v. SheBirer) quotes the Tosefet [[Shabbat]] and Maaseh Rokeach who argue on the distinction of the Bet Yosef and the language of the Rambam is just imprecise. This is also the opinion of the Mishna Brurah 319:16. However, Rama 319:1 rules that it is only permitted to separate right before a meal, seemingly making no difference whether it’s separating between food and refuse or between two foods. So writes the Machasit HaShekel 319:6 (in explanation of Rama). Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 278) brings two opinions on this issue and even though that in the footnote it sounds like it’s permissible because of a Sfek Safeka, he concludes by leaving it unresolved. </ref>
# If one separated in order to eat immediately and then changed his mind and decided not to eat, some say that he violated Borer, while others say it’s permissible after the fact, therefore one should avoid such a situation. <Ref> Shaar HaTziyun 319:5 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that after the fact the food is permitted if one had in mind to eat it immediately even if one changes his mind afterwards. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 272) brings this as a doubt and says that one should avoid such a situation. </ref>
# If one separated in order to eat immediately and then changed his mind and decided not to eat, some say that he violated Borer, while others say it’s permissible after the fact, therefore one should avoid such a situation. <Ref> Shaar HaTziyun 319:5 quotes the Pri Megadim who says that after the fact the food is permitted if one had in mind to eat it immediately even if one changes his mind afterwards. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 3 pg 272) brings this as a doubt and says that one should avoid such a situation. </ref>
 
 
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==Alternative ways to permit Borer==
==Alternative ways to permit Borer==
# One may throw all of the items of a mixture onto a table or on the ground so that they scatter. Once the items are separate identifiable units it is permitted to use each one separately without any prohibition of Borer. <Ref>Based on [[Shabbat]] 74a, it seems that throwing a mixture out of the container so that the pieces separate so it’s not a mixture anymore would be permitted and allow one to put away each piece of the mixture separately. This is also the opinion of Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:3 (note 6 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman), Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 Borer #11</ref>
# One may throw all of the items of a mixture onto a table or on the ground so that they scatter. Once the items are separate identifiable units it is permitted to use each one separately without any prohibition of Borer. <Ref>Based on [[Shabbat]] 74a, it seems that throwing a mixture out of the container so that the pieces separate so it’s not a mixture anymore would be permitted and allow one to put away each piece of the mixture separately. This is also the opinion of Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 3:3 (note 6 in name of Rav Shlomo Zalman), Sh”t Igrot Moshe 4:74 Borer #11</ref>