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#Some poskim permit making tea in a Kli Shelishi, while others forbid it. According to those who forbid, one should make tea essence before [[Shabbat]] and pour it into hot water of a Kli Sheni on [[Shabbat]].<ref> | #Some poskim permit making tea in a Kli Shelishi, while others forbid it. According to those who forbid, one should make tea essence before [[Shabbat]] and pour it into hot water of a Kli Sheni on [[Shabbat]].<ref>The Yereyim 274 s.v. vkol dvar is explicit that a kli shelishi is no different than a kli sheni. This is also the opinion of many poskim including Pri Megadim E"A 318:35, Chazon Ish 52:19, and Aruch HaShulchan 318:28. [[Shabbos]] Kitchen (Rabbi Simcha Bunim Kohen; pg 32) hold that tea leaves are food that are easily cooked and a Kli Shelishi is no different than a Kli Sheni. However, Igrot Moshe 4:74 bishul #15 permits putting tea leaves in a Kli Shelishi since he holds that a Kli Shelishi can’t cook at all. Dor Hamelaktim v. 4 p. 2461 cites the Divrei Yatziv OC 155, Rav Yitzchak Berkowitz (Zera Shmutel fnt. 37), and Halacha Sheleimah 2:41 as lenient like Rav Moshe regarding tea. They also quote the Az Nidbaru 12:19, Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 1:63, Orchot Shabbat 1:43, Zachor Vshamor p. 119, Minchat Ish 5:87 as being strict on a kli shelishi for making tea. The Mishnah Brurah 318:47 quotes that there would be no issue of placing food into a Kli Shlishi even if it is considered to be easily cooked. According to those who forbid, Mishna Brurah 319:39 writes that one should make tea essence before [[Shabbat]] and then pour it into hot water of a Kli Sheni on [[Shabbat]]. See Sh”t [[Shevet Halevi]] 1:90 who argues on the advise of the Mishna Brurah to cook the leaves before [[Shabbat]] and then again on [[Shabbat]] because Sh”t Maharam Shik 132 suggest that there may be bishul acher bishul with the tea leaves. </ref> | ||
##Some say there’s an issue of putting tea leaves in a kli rishon on [[Shabbat]] even if they were put in boiling water before [[Shabbat]]. However, if the leaves were totally cooked there’s no issue of putting them in a kli rishon on [[Shabbat]].<ref>Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:90 </ref> | ##Some say there’s an issue of putting tea leaves in a kli rishon on [[Shabbat]] even if they were put in boiling water before [[Shabbat]]. However, if the leaves were totally cooked there’s no issue of putting them in a kli rishon on [[Shabbat]].<ref>Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:90 </ref> | ||
#A fully baked (dry heat), roasted, or fried food may be cooked (liquid heat) in a Kli Shelishi. Therefore, if soup was ladled from a pot into a bowl it’s permissible to place bread in the bowl.<ref>Mishna Brurah 318:45, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:59 (new edition 1:68). Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata stipulates that the ladle must not have been left in the pot for a long time otherwise the ladle is a kli rishon.</ref> | #A fully baked (dry heat), roasted, or fried food may be cooked (liquid heat) in a Kli Shelishi. Therefore, if soup was ladled from a pot into a bowl it’s permissible to place bread in the bowl.<ref>Mishna Brurah 318:45, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:59 (new edition 1:68). Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata stipulates that the ladle must not have been left in the pot for a long time otherwise the ladle is a kli rishon.</ref> | ||
