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		<title>YitzchakSultan: Text replace - &quot;Yabea Omer&quot; to &quot;Yabia Omer&quot;</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some hold that there’s a Torah prohibition to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Maharam Shik Y”D 171, Sh”T Bear Mayim 1:77, חתם סופר in Torat Moshe (Parshat Bo). The potential issue revolve around counting the secular month and not using the months that Hashem appointed for our calendar and secondly, the secular year is somewhat connected to the death of Yeshu. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some hold that there’s a Torah prohibition to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Maharam Shik Y”D 171, Sh”T Bear Mayim 1:77, חתם סופר in Torat Moshe (Parshat Bo). The potential issue revolve around counting the secular month and not using the months that Hashem appointed for our calendar and secondly, the secular year is somewhat connected to the death of Yeshu. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Many hold that if possible one should be strict not to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Az Nidabru 12:38, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:18 &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Many hold that if possible one should be strict not to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Az Nidabru 12:38, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:18 &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some add that it’s preferable to write both the Jewish and secular date or not to write the month as a number but to mention it by name. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Sh”t &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Yabea &lt;/del&gt;Omer Y”D 3:9, Sh”t Vayitzbor Yosef 4:50. Orchot Rabbenu (vol 1 pg 231) quotes the Steipler who holds that quoting the secular months isn’t an issue, whereas counting the secular year is an issue. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some add that it’s preferable to write both the Jewish and secular date or not to write the month as a number but to mention it by name. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Sh”t &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Yabia &lt;/ins&gt;Omer Y”D 3:9, Sh”t Vayitzbor Yosef 4:50. Orchot Rabbenu (vol 1 pg 231) quotes the Steipler who holds that quoting the secular months isn’t an issue, whereas counting the secular year is an issue. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>YitzchakSultan</name></author>
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		<title>YitzchakSultan: Text replace - &quot;==References==&quot; to &quot;==Sources==&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2013-03-17T01:57:56Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;# [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735743/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Using_the_Secular_Calendar Rabbi Aryeh Leibowitz] about using a secular calendar&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;# [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735743/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Using_the_Secular_Calendar Rabbi Aryeh Leibowitz] about using a secular calendar&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Dlhanon at 13:22, 15 December 2011</title>
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		<updated>2011-12-15T13:22:59Z</updated>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l6&quot;&gt;Line 6:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Lastly, some authorities hold that there’s no prohibition and it’s only a nice idea to write the Jewish date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt;Sh”T Teshuvot Hanhagot C”M 1:830 permits altogether. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Lastly, some authorities hold that there’s no prohibition and it’s only a nice idea to write the Jewish date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt;Sh”T Teshuvot Hanhagot C”M 1:830 permits altogether. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Related Links==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Related Links==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;# http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735743/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Using_the_Secular_Calendar&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;# &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[&lt;/ins&gt;http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735743/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Using_the_Secular_Calendar &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Rabbi Aryeh Leibowitz] about using a secular calendar&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Dlhanon</name></author>
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		<title>Dlhanon at 13:20, 15 December 2011</title>
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		<updated>2011-12-15T13:20:36Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some add that it’s preferable to write both the Jewish and secular date or not to write the month as a number but to mention it by name. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Yabea Omer Y”D 3:9, Sh”t Vayitzbor Yosef 4:50. Orchot Rabbenu (vol 1 pg 231) quotes the Steipler who holds that quoting the secular months isn’t an issue, whereas counting the secular year is an issue. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Some add that it’s preferable to write both the Jewish and secular date or not to write the month as a number but to mention it by name. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Yabea Omer Y”D 3:9, Sh”t Vayitzbor Yosef 4:50. Orchot Rabbenu (vol 1 pg 231) quotes the Steipler who holds that quoting the secular months isn’t an issue, whereas counting the secular year is an issue. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Lastly, some authorities hold that there’s no prohibition and it’s only a nice idea to write the Jewish date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt;Sh”T Teshuvot Hanhagot C”M 1:830 permits altogether. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Lastly, some authorities hold that there’s no prohibition and it’s only a nice idea to write the Jewish date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt;Sh”T Teshuvot Hanhagot C”M 1:830 permits altogether. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;==Related Links==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;# http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735743/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Using_the_Secular_Calendar&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==References==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==References==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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# There’s a serious discussion in the poskim whether certain prohibitions are infringed when writing the secular date instead of the Hebrew date. There’s a number of opinions:&lt;br /&gt;
* Some hold that there’s a Torah prohibition to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Maharam Shik Y”D 171, Sh”T Bear Mayim 1:77, חתם סופר in Torat Moshe (Parshat Bo). The potential issue revolve around counting the secular month and not using the months that Hashem appointed for our calendar and secondly, the secular year is somewhat connected to the death of Yeshu. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
* Many hold that if possible one should be strict not to write the secular date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Az Nidabru 12:38, Sh”t Bear Moshe 8:18 &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Some add that it’s preferable to write both the Jewish and secular date or not to write the month as a number but to mention it by name. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Sh”t Yabea Omer Y”D 3:9, Sh”t Vayitzbor Yosef 4:50. Orchot Rabbenu (vol 1 pg 231) quotes the Steipler who holds that quoting the secular months isn’t an issue, whereas counting the secular year is an issue. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
* Lastly, some authorities hold that there’s no prohibition and it’s only a nice idea to write the Jewish date. &amp;lt;Ref&amp;gt;Sh”T Teshuvot Hanhagot C”M 1:830 permits altogether. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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