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Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Sunday

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Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday

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	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 556:1</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 556:1</ref>
	# The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>		# The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref name=":0">Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref name=":1">Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# ~~Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of~~ Tisha ~~B'av~~ that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Keneset Hagedola (responsa 71), Birkei Yosef 556:1, Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Yechava Daat 3:40, Minchat Yitzchak 8:30:4, 10:31:9, Mishna Halachot 11:455, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday ~~they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead~~ for ~~havdalah.</ref>~~		See [[Tisha BeAv#Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday\|Havdalah for Tisha BeAv on Sunday]] section for more details.
	~~# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after~~ Tisha ~~B'av that fell out~~ on Sunday~~. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>~~
	~~# Even if one forgot to recite [[havdala~~]] ~~in the Shemoneh Esrei, he doesn't repeat it but rather recites the words "Baruch hamavdil bein kodesh lichol~~.~~"<ref>Mishna Brurah 556:2 </ref>~~

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	===Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday===		===Havdala for Tisha BeAv that Is Observed on Sunday===

	#If Tisha BeAv falls out on [[Shabbat]] and is pushed off to Sunday or if Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, the bracha of Boreh Meorei HaEsh upon a fire is made on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before the reading of Eicha ~~(while Boreh Mineh/Isbeh/Atzeh~~ Besamim is omitted~~), however, the~~ bracha of [[Havdalah]] on a cup of wine is delayed until after Tisha BeAv, Sunday night.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1. Mishna Brurah 556:3 adds that an adult can drink this wine. Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:8, Yabia Omer, Volume 6, 48:13 agree. </ref>		#If Tisha BeAv falls out on [[Shabbat]] and is pushed off to Sunday or if Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, the bracha of Boreh Meorei HaEsh upon a fire is made on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before the reading of Eicha and Besamim is omitted. The bracha of [[Havdalah]] on a cup of wine, however, is delayed until after Tisha BeAv, Sunday night.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 556:1. Mishna Brurah 556:3 adds that an adult can drink this wine. Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:8, Yabia Omer, Volume 6, 48:13 agree. </ref>
	#~~An adult~~ who is ~~exempt from~~ fasting should recite [[Havdalah]] on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before eating.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2,[http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2361 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] quoting Yechave Daat 3:40, Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 352), Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:7, Birkei Yosef OC 556:2. Rav Chaim Kanievsky in a letter to Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) quoted Zecher Simcha and Tzafnat Pane'ach that there is no obligation for a sick person to recite havdalah on Tisha BeAv and Rav Elyashiv responded that he follows the Birkei Yosef. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 62:45 writes that Birkei Yosef's ruling only applies to adults who are too ill to fast but a child should not recite [[havdala]] himself then, but should wait until after tisha b'av. See also Az Nidbaru 6:53:4 and Rivevot Efraim 3:371. [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Matot 5782 min 14)] explained that originally Rav Ovadia held that someone who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that is delayed such as a pregnant woman should wait until they need to eat on Sunday to recite havdalah. However, after Rav Massas argued with him based on the Knesset Hagedola that it is better to recite havdala on Motzei Shabbat, the ideal time for Havdala, he changed his opinion.</ref> While typically wine or grape juice is used for Havdala, one should ~~strive~~ to use [[Chamar Medina\|chamar medina]], particularly when making Havdala on Tisha BeAv.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2 writes that a person should use Chamar Mdina and not wine when a sick person recites havdalah on Tisha BeAv. He quotes that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach also held this way. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) agrees. The Griz (on Rambam Hilchot Taniyot cited by Rav Elyashiv) in fact allowed making havdalah on wine itself for a sick person on Tisha BeAv. The basis for this dispute is whether there is a unique prohibition to drink wine on Tisha BeAv or it is part of the regular restrictions of the nine days.		#Those who are at home also should moerei ha'esh on Saturday night.<ref name=":0" /> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref name=":1" />
	* Taanit 30b states that anyone who eats meat and drinks wine "on Tisha BeAv" is included in the verse: "And whose iniquities are upon their bones" (Yechezkel 32:27). It is difficult to understand why the Gemara would need to explicitly forbid these items "on" Tisha Be'av as one may not eat anything on Tisha Be'av. (See Rabeinu Chananel who has a different girsa). Rashi therefore explains that this phrase refers to drinking wine or eating meat during the Seuda Mafseket.		#Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons should recite [[Havdalah]] on [[Motzei Shabbat]] before eating.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2,[http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2361 Rabbi Mansour on Dailyhalacha.com] quoting Yechave Daat 3:40, Chazon Ovadia (Arba Tzomot, p. 352), Yalkut Yosef, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, Volume 2, 556:7, Birkei Yosef OC 556:2. Rav Chaim Kanievsky in a letter to Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) quoted Zecher Simcha and Tzafnat Pane'ach that there is no obligation for a sick person to recite havdalah on Tisha BeAv and Rav Elyashiv responded that he follows the Birkei Yosef. Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata 62:45 writes that Birkei Yosef's ruling only applies to adults who are too ill to fast but a child should not recite [[havdala]] himself then, but should wait until after tisha b'av. See also Az Nidbaru 6:53:4 and Rivevot Efraim 3:371. [https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Matot 5782 min 14)] explained that originally Rav Ovadia held that someone who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that is delayed such as a pregnant woman should wait until they need to eat on Sunday to recite havdalah. However, after Rav Massas argued with him based on the Knesset Hagedola that it is better to recite havdala on Motzei Shabbat, the ideal time for Havdala, he changed his opinion.</ref> While typically wine or grape juice is used for Havdala, one should try to use [[Chamar Medina\|chamar medina]], particularly when making Havdala on Tisha BeAv.<ref>Rav Nevinsal in Byitzchak Yikreh 556:2 writes that a person should use Chamar Mdina and not wine when a sick person recites havdalah on Tisha BeAv. He quotes that Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach also held this way. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) agrees. The Griz (on Rambam Hilchot Taniyot cited by Rav Elyashiv) in fact allowed making havdalah on wine itself for a sick person on Tisha BeAv. The basis for this dispute is whether there is a unique prohibition to drink wine on Tisha BeAv or it is part of the regular restrictions of the nine days.
	* There are two reasons for why these items would be forbidden during the Seuda Mafseket: 1) These were items typically placed on the mizbeach and therefore we commemorate the loss of the Beit Hamikdash by not eating/drinking them. 2) This meal matches the prohibitions usually observed by an Onen after he loses a relative before the burial (Trumat Ha'deshen).		*Taanit 30b states that anyone who eats meat and drinks wine "on Tisha BeAv" is included in the verse: "And whose iniquities are upon their bones" (Yechezkel 32:27). It is difficult to understand why the Gemara would need to explicitly forbid these items "on" Tisha Be'av as one may not eat anything on Tisha Be'av. (See Rabeinu Chananel who has a different girsa). Rashi therefore explains that this phrase refers to drinking wine or eating meat during the Seuda Mafseket.
	* Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days.		*There are two reasons for why these items would be forbidden during the Seuda Mafseket: 1) These were items typically placed on the mizbeach and therefore we commemorate the loss of the Beit Hamikdash by not eating/drinking them. 2) This meal matches the prohibitions usually observed by an Onen after he loses a relative before the burial (Trumat Ha'deshen).
	* Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). The Brisker Rav, however, held that Tisha BeAv is considered like intense mourning after the burial and not an Onen; therefore, he held wine is permitted for havdalah on Tisha BeAv. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) proves from the Or Zaruah that the Brisker Rav is incorrect and Tisha BeAv mimics the practices of Onen. Rav Nevinsal makes the same point based on the Ritva (cited in Bet Yosef 557).		*Thus, according to the first reason there would be an additional reason to prohibit wine and meat on Tisha BeAv which would even apply to someone who is permitted to break their fast, while according to the second reason there would be no additional reason to prohibit wine or meat on Tisha Beav more than the regular rules that govern the 9 days.
			*Therefore, because of this additional concern, some who would typically allow making Havdala on wine during the 9 days would prohibit this on Tisha Be'Av itself and instead require one to use Chamar Medina (Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, oral communication). The Brisker Rav, however, held that Tisha BeAv is considered like intense mourning after the burial and not an Onen; therefore, he held wine is permitted for havdalah on Tisha BeAv. Rav Elyashiv (Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) proves from the Or Zaruah that the Brisker Rav is incorrect and Tisha BeAv mimics the practices of Onen. Rav Nevinsal makes the same point based on the Ritva (cited in Bet Yosef 557).
	Rav Ovadia (Chazon Ovadia p. 350) has an entirely different approach. He permits someone sick to recite havdalah on wine since it is for a mitzvah and not for pleasure. The gemara Tanit he explains is only relevant to a healthy person eating or drinking on Tisha BeAv for pleasure.</ref> Some hold that it is preferable to use grape juice.<ref>[https://youtu.be/m_BFkLGwzjk Rav Osher Weiss (min 16:05-17:20)]. He explained that nowadays it is questionable to use any drink for chamar mdina (See Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) so it is preferable to use grape juice and rely on those who permit it during the nine days and Tisha bav for someone sick.		Rav Ovadia (Chazon Ovadia p. 350) has an entirely different approach. He permits someone sick to recite havdalah on wine since it is for a mitzvah and not for pleasure. The gemara Tanit he explains is only relevant to a healthy person eating or drinking on Tisha BeAv for pleasure.</ref> Some hold that it is preferable to use grape juice.<ref>[https://youtu.be/m_BFkLGwzjk Rav Osher Weiss (min 16:05-17:20)]. He explained that nowadays it is questionable to use any drink for chamar mdina (See Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvot 1:57) so it is preferable to use grape juice and rely on those who permit it during the nine days and Tisha bav for someone sick.
	* Rav Chaim Kanievsky in his letter to Rav Elyashiv asked how it is possible to make havdalah on Tisha BeAv if according to the Chazon Ish there is no Chamar Mdina today. Rav Elyashiv responded that he could use unfermented wine. Rav Ovadia in Chazon Ovadia p. 350 writes that he could use grape juice.</ref> One may fulfill his/her obligation to hear Havdalah even through someone who is making Havdala on Tisha Be'av who is permitted to eat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:7. Chazon Ovadia p. 351 also quotes this from Birkei Yosef 556:3, Zachor Lavraham, Moed Lkol Chai 10:49, Yaskil Avdi 7:36, and Mishneh Halachot 11:455.</ref>		*Rav Chaim Kanievsky in his letter to Rav Elyashiv asked how it is possible to make havdalah on Tisha BeAv if according to the Chazon Ish there is no Chamar Mdina today. Rav Elyashiv responded that he could use unfermented wine. Rav Ovadia in Chazon Ovadia p. 350 writes that he could use grape juice.</ref> One may fulfill his/her obligation to hear Havdalah even through someone who is making Havdala on Tisha Be'av who is permitted to eat.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:7. Chazon Ovadia p. 351 also quotes this from Birkei Yosef 556:3, Zachor Lavraham, Moed Lkol Chai 10:49, Yaskil Avdi 7:36, and Mishneh Halachot 11:455.</ref>
	#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref>		#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref>
	#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref>		#While it is true that most poskim hold that someone who is not fasting because of health reasons must recite havdalah before eating,<ref>Keneset Hagedola (responsa 71), Birkei Yosef 556:1, Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Yechava Daat 3:40, Minchat Yitzchak 8:30:4, 10:31:9, Mishna Halachot 11:455, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref> some poskim disagree and hold that they do not recite havdalah until Sunday night.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref>
			#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref>
			# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>
			# Even if one forgot to recite [[havdala]] in the Shemoneh Esrei, he doesn't repeat it but rather recites the words "Baruch hamavdil bein kodesh lichol."<ref>Mishna Brurah 556:2 </ref>

	===When Tisha BeAv falls out on Thursday===		===When Tisha BeAv falls out on Thursday===

YitzchakSultan1: /* Beginning of Fast and Seuda Shelishit */

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Beginning of Fast and Seuda Shelishit

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	==== Shabbat Afternoon ====		==== Shabbat Afternoon ====

	# ~~Tzidkatcha is omitted at mincha.<ref>Rama 552:12</ref>~~		# If Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, some Ashkenazim hold that it is forbidden to learn Torah regularly Shabbat afternoon (after chaztot), however, some poskim allow this.<ref>Mishna Brurah 553:10</ref> Sephardim allow this but still hold that it is preferable to learn the halachot of Tisha BeAv.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:2</ref>
	~~# Some~~ Ashkenazim hold that it is forbidden to learn Torah regularly Shabbat afternoon ~~before Tisha B'av~~, however, some poskim allow this.<ref>Mishna Brurah 553:10</ref>		# If Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, one doesn't say Tzidkatcha at [[mincha]] of [[Shabbat]].<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 559:1, Rama 552:12, Yalkut Yosef 556:3</ref>

	==== Beginning of Fast and Seuda Shelishit ====		==== Beginning of Fast and Seuda Shelishit ====

	# ~~When tisha b'av falls out on Sunday~~, ~~there is no seuda mafseket with only~~ one ~~cooked dish. Instead, it is permissible to~~ eat a regular ~~seuda shelishit~~. ~~It is necessary to finish seuda shelishit by sunset, even~~ though Shabbat ~~is not over until nightfall~~.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C 553:1</ref>		# Although seudat shlishit is the seudat hamafseket before the fast, one should eat a regular meal.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 552:10 based on taanit 29b that says one may make a meal as extravagant as he pleases on the [[shabbat]] of the eighth or ninth of av. Mishna Brurah 552:23 adds though that although we cannot publicly display [[mourning]] on [[Shabbat]] one's mood should at least somewhat reflect the time. </ref> The meal must be finished before sunset.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C 553:1, Rama 552:10 </ref> One may sit on chairs<ref>Mikraei Kodesh Hilchot Tisha B'av 10:7</ref> and a zimmun can be made.<ref>Mikraei Kodesh Hilchot Tisha B'av 10:9</ref>
	# It is forbidden to do melacha before reciting אתה חוננתנו or ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול after Shabbat.<ref>Rama 553:2, Mishna Brurah 556:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:13)</ref>		# It is forbidden to do melacha before reciting אתה חוננתנו or ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול after Shabbat.<ref>Rama 553:2, Mishna Brurah 556:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:13)</ref>
	# It is customary to continue to wear leather shoes on Shabbat until after barchu of maariv.<ref>Rama 553:2</ref> It is forbidden to do any signs of mourning such as sitting on the floor or wearing non-leather until after Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 93:1, 94:1)</ref> After barchu a person should switch into non-leather shoes and sit on the floor.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:1-2)</ref> It is permissible to switch one's shoes before barchu if a person first recites ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:4)</ref>		# It is customary to continue to wear leather shoes on Shabbat until after barchu of maariv.<ref>Rama 553:2, Yechava Daat 5:38, Yalkut Yosef 556:4-5</ref> It is forbidden to do any signs of mourning such as sitting on the floor or wearing non-leather until after Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 93:1, 94:1)</ref> After barchu a person should switch into non-leather shoes and sit on the floor.<ref>Yechava Daat 5:38, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:1-2)</ref> If one is taking off one's shoes after [[Barchu]] one should take them off with one's feet or by only touching the shoelaces so that one doesn't have to wash [[Netilat Yadayim]].<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:4-5</ref>
			# It is proper to have [[Arvit]] of [[Motzei Shabbat]] a while after sunset giving people time to change from their [[Shabbat]] clothing which they should do after nightfall.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:4-5</ref> In that situation it is permissible to switch one's shoes before barchu if a person first recites ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:4), Yechava Daat 5:38</ref>
	# Since washing a person's hands in a limited fashion isn't a clear indication of mourning it is forbidden to wash a person's hands completely after sunset on Saturday night. Rather, he should just wash up to his knuckles.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:3)</ref>		# Since washing a person's hands in a limited fashion isn't a clear indication of mourning it is forbidden to wash a person's hands completely after sunset on Saturday night. Rather, he should just wash up to his knuckles.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:3)</ref>
	# The parochet should not be removed until after barchu or after the time for when Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:9)</ref>		# The parochet should not be removed until after barchu or after the time for when Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:9)</ref>
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	==== Havdalah ====		==== Havdalah ====

	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 556:1</ref>
			# The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Keneset Hagedola (responsa 71), Birkei Yosef 556:1, Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Yechava Daat 3:40, Minchat Yitzchak 8:30:4, 10:31:9, Mishna Halachot 11:455, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>		# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Keneset Hagedola (responsa 71), Birkei Yosef 556:1, Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Yechava Daat 3:40, Minchat Yitzchak 8:30:4, 10:31:9, Mishna Halachot 11:455, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>
	# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>		# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>
			# Even if one forgot to recite [[havdala]] in the Shemoneh Esrei, he doesn't repeat it but rather recites the words "Baruch hamavdil bein kodesh lichol."<ref>Mishna Brurah 556:2 </ref>

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	#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref>		#One who needs to eat on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday must recite Havdalah beforehand. Some say that if they're sick they should wait until they need to eat to recite Havdalah and not say it immediately Saturday night unless they need to eat then.<ref>Yachava Daat 3:40 in the footnote writes that even though the Knesset Hagedola says that someone eating on Tisha B'av that falls out on Sunday should recite Havdalah before they eat on Saturday night doesn't mean that they need to recite Havdalah Saturday night, but rather they should wait until they need to eat and then recite Havdalah.</ref> Others hold that they should initially recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat.<ref>[https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=199132 Rav Yitzchak Yosef (Motzei Shabbat Parshat Matot 5782 min 13-14)] explained that originally his father held that a person should wait until they need to eat before reciting havdalah. However, later after Rav Massas challenged his opinion based on the Knesset Hagedola that indeed the sick person should recite havdalah immediately on Motzei Shabbat. Rav Yitzchak added that this is the preferred option even though she just finished seuda shelishit and is not hungry since it is always ideal to recite havdalah on Motzei Shabbat and not delay. This is reiterated in Yalkut Yosef (Arba Taniyot, 5779 edition, pp. 494-6) and clear in Chazon Ovadia (Arba Taniyot pp. 349-50). See further [https://halachayomit.co.il/he/Default.aspx?HalachaID=629 Halachayomit.co.il] which quotes Rav Ovadia's earlier ruling that a nursing or pregnant woman should wait until chatzot unless she feels very weak or is sick to recite havdalah and eat.</ref>
	#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref>		#It should be emphasized that if one ever must urgently break their fast because of health reasons, one should not recite Havdala first and run the risk of entering a dangerous situation.<ref>Even a situation of "safek pikuach nefesh," when one is unsure if the situation is life-threatening qualifies to allow one to violate whatever is necessary (excluding the 3 cardinal sins) in order to bring a person back to health (see Sanhedrin 74a).</ref>

	~~===When Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday===~~

	~~#If Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, one doesn't say Tzidkatcha at [[mincha]] of [[Shabbat]].<ref>Shulchan Aruch 559:1, Yalkut Yosef 556:3</ref>~~
	~~#If Tisha BeAv falls out on Sunday, one may learn Torah on [[Shabbat]] after [[Chatzot]] but it's preferable to learn the halachot of Tisha BeAv.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:2</ref>~~
	~~#Even if one forgot to recite [[havdala]] in the Shemoneh Esrei, he doesn't repeat it but rather recites the words "Baruch hamavdil bein kodesh lichol." <ref>Mishna Brurah 556:2 </ref>~~
	#Although seudat shlishit is the seudat hamafseket before the fast, one should eat a regular meal. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 552:10 based on taanit 29b that says one may make a meal as extravagant as he pleases on the [[shabbat]] of the eighth or ninth of av. Mishna Brurah 552:23 adds though that although we cannot publicly display [[mourning]] on [[Shabbat]] one's mood should at least somewhat reflect the time. </ref> The meal must be finished before sunset. <ref>Rama 552:10 </ref> One may sit on chairs<ref>Mikraei Kodesh Hilchot Tisha B'av 10:7</ref> and a zimmun can be made.<ref>Mikraei Kodesh Hilchot Tisha B'av 10:9</ref>
	#One may leave on one's leather shoes until right after [[Barchu]] at the beginning of [[Arvit]] of [[Motzei Shabbat]]. If one is taking off one's shoes after [[Barchu]] one should take them off with one's feet or by only touching the shoelaces so that one doesn't have to wash [[Netilat Yadayim]]. It's proper to have [[Arvit]] of [[Motzei Shabbat]] 30 minutes after sunset giving people time to change from their [[Shabbat]] clothing which they should do 20 minutes after sunset.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 556:4-5</ref>

	===When Tisha BeAv falls out on Thursday===		===When Tisha BeAv falls out on Thursday===

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	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>		# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Keneset Hagedola (responsa 71), Birkei Yosef 556:1, Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Yechava Daat 3:40, Minchat Yitzchak 8:30:4, 10:31:9, Mishna Halachot 11:455, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>
	# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>		# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>

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	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>		# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>
			# Havdalah can be recited in shul after Tisha B'av Sunday night.<ref>Siach Yitzchak 249 writes that the minhag was not to recite havdalah in shul after Tisha B'av that fell out on Sunday. He suggests that this is because there is a question if we should be reciting havdalah altogether Sunday night, but he concludes that the Eshkol said that it should be said in shul.</ref>

	==== Preparing on Shabbos for Afterwards ====		==== Preparing on Shabbos for Afterwards ====

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	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha~~. Women should not recite the bracha of morei esh~~.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> ~~Others hold~~ that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Some say that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Shevet Halevi 7:77:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>		# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>

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	# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha. Women should not recite the bracha of morei esh.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref>		# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha. Women should not recite the bracha of morei esh.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref> Others hold that women should recite morei esh.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:3)</ref>
	# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh.</ref>		# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:5). If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh. Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 95:8) quotes a dispute whether it is permitted to use wine or they should use beer instead for havdalah.</ref>

	==== Preparing on Shabbos for Afterwards ====		==== Preparing on Shabbos for Afterwards ====

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	# When tisha b'av falls out on Sunday, there is no seuda mafseket with only one cooked dish. Instead, it is permissible to eat a regular seuda shelishit. It is necessary to finish seuda shelishit by sunset, even though Shabbat is not over until nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C 553:1</ref>		# When tisha b'av falls out on Sunday, there is no seuda mafseket with only one cooked dish. Instead, it is permissible to eat a regular seuda shelishit. It is necessary to finish seuda shelishit by sunset, even though Shabbat is not over until nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C 553:1</ref>
	# It is forbidden to do melacha before reciting אתה חוננתנו or ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול after Shabbat.<ref>Rama 553:2, Mishna Brurah 556:2</ref>		# It is forbidden to do melacha before reciting אתה חוננתנו or ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול after Shabbat.<ref>Rama 553:2, Mishna Brurah 556:2, Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:13)</ref>
	# It is customary to continue to wear leather shoes on Shabbat until after barchu of maariv.<ref>Rama 553:2</ref>		# It is customary to continue to wear leather shoes on Shabbat until after barchu of maariv.<ref>Rama 553:2</ref> It is forbidden to do any signs of mourning such as sitting on the floor or wearing non-leather until after Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 93:1, 94:1)</ref> After barchu a person should switch into non-leather shoes and sit on the floor.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:1-2)</ref> It is permissible to switch one's shoes before barchu if a person first recites ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:4)</ref>
			# Since washing a person's hands in a limited fashion isn't a clear indication of mourning it is forbidden to wash a person's hands completely after sunset on Saturday night. Rather, he should just wash up to his knuckles.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:3)</ref>
			# The parochet should not be removed until after barchu or after the time for when Shabbat is over.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 94:9)</ref>

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	# For someone who needs to take a slow release pill it is permitted to do so on Shabbat and it isn’t considered refuah (medicine) or hachana (preparing).<ref>Rav Asher Weiss (Minchat Shlomo 2:38)</ref>		# For someone who needs to take a slow release pill it is permitted to do so on Shabbat and it isn’t considered refuah (medicine) or hachana (preparing).<ref>Rav Asher Weiss (Minchat Shlomo 2:38)</ref>
	# It is forbidden to bring a siddur for kinnot, Eicha, or non-leather shoes to shul on Shabbat afternoon to be used that night. Doing so is considered preparing on Shabbat for after Shabbat. To avoid this issue, a person can either bring whatever they need before Shabbat or bring it from home after nightfall after Shabbat.		# It is forbidden to bring a siddur for kinnot, Eicha, or non-leather shoes to shul on Shabbat afternoon to be used that night. Doing so is considered preparing on Shabbat for after Shabbat. To avoid this issue, a person can either bring whatever they need before Shabbat or bring it from home after nightfall after Shabbat.<ref>Nitai Gavriel (Ben Hametzarim v. 2 93:9)</ref>

	==Mourning Practices on the Tenth of Av==		==Mourning Practices on the Tenth of Av==

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	#One should not smoke on Tisha b'av. However, if someone really needs to and it will cause them great pain if they don't, then they may smoke at home in private, but shouldn't do so in public.<ref>Sh"t Yabia Omer 1:31, Yechave Daat 5:39. Mishna Brurah 555:8 only allows it for someone who really needs it in his house after chatzot. </ref> Regarding the permissibility of smoking in general, see [[Hygiene_%26_Health#Smoking\|Smoking]].		#One should not smoke on Tisha b'av. However, if someone really needs to and it will cause them great pain if they don't, then they may smoke at home in private, but shouldn't do so in public.<ref>Sh"t Yabia Omer 1:31, Yechave Daat 5:39. Mishna Brurah 555:8 only allows it for someone who really needs it in his house after chatzot. </ref> Regarding the permissibility of smoking in general, see [[Hygiene_%26_Health#Smoking\|Smoking]].

			==Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Sunday==

			==== Shabbat Afternoon ====

			# Tzidkatcha is omitted at mincha.<ref>Rama 552:12</ref>
			# Some Ashkenazim hold that it is forbidden to learn Torah regularly Shabbat afternoon before Tisha B'av, however, some poskim allow this.<ref>Mishna Brurah 553:10</ref>

			==== Beginning of Fast and Seuda Shelishit ====

			# When tisha b'av falls out on Sunday, there is no seuda mafseket with only one cooked dish. Instead, it is permissible to eat a regular seuda shelishit. It is necessary to finish seuda shelishit by sunset, even though Shabbat is not over until nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C 553:1</ref>
			# It is forbidden to do melacha before reciting אתה חוננתנו or ברוך המבדיל בין קודש לחול after Shabbat.<ref>Rama 553:2, Mishna Brurah 556:2</ref>
			# It is customary to continue to wear leather shoes on Shabbat until after barchu of maariv.<ref>Rama 553:2</ref>

			==== Havdalah ====

			# Havdalah is not recited on Saturday night. Instead, it is delayed to Sunday night before eating. Havdalah consists of hagefen and havdalah as besamim and morei esh are omitted. The bracha of borei morei haesh is recited upon a lit torch on Saturday night after Shabbat before the recitation of Eicha. Those who are at home also should recite this bracha. Women should not recite the bracha of morei esh.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 556:1</ref>
			# Someone who is not fasting because of health reasons does not recite havdalah until Sunday night, according to some poskim.<ref>Rav Chaim Kanievsky in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. Rabbi Willig (Halachot of Tisha B'av that Falls Out on Motzei Shabbos 5785) agrees with Rav Kanievsky.</ref> Other poskim dispute this and hold that they must recite havdalah on grape juice before eating or drinking.<ref>Rav Elyashiv in Kovetz Teshuvos 1:57. If they recite havdalah on Saturday night they would skip besamim but recite the rest of havdalah. If they recite it on Sunday they should skip besamim and morei esh.</ref>

			==== Preparing on Shabbos for Afterwards ====

			# For someone who needs to take a slow release pill it is permitted to do so on Shabbat and it isn’t considered refuah (medicine) or hachana (preparing).<ref>Rav Asher Weiss (Minchat Shlomo 2:38)</ref>
			# It is forbidden to bring a siddur for kinnot, Eicha, or non-leather shoes to shul on Shabbat afternoon to be used that night. Doing so is considered preparing on Shabbat for after Shabbat. To avoid this issue, a person can either bring whatever they need before Shabbat or bring it from home after nightfall after Shabbat.

	==Mourning Practices on the Tenth of Av==		==Mourning Practices on the Tenth of Av==

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	#In a year in which the 9th of Av falls out on either [[Shabbat]] (in which case the fast is observed beginning at sunset on Shabbat) or on Sunday, ~~this~~ meal is not eaten. In such a case, one may enjoy a large sumptuous meal so as to properly celebrate Shabbat. However, one must ensure to stop eating before sunset (see "When Tisha Beav Falls Out on Shabbat or Sunday" below).<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama O.C. 552:10</ref>		#In a year in which the 9th of Av falls out on either [[Shabbat]] (in which case the fast is observed beginning at sunset on Shabbat) or on Sunday, the seuda mafseket meal is not eaten. In such a case, one may enjoy a large sumptuous meal so as to properly celebrate Shabbat. However, one must ensure to stop eating before sunset (see "When Tisha Beav Falls Out on Shabbat or Sunday" below).<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama O.C. 552:10</ref>

	====Someone who Isn't Fasting====		====Someone who Isn't Fasting====