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	In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:		In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:
	# The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all. <ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1, p. 199) quotes the Chazon Ish as ruling that it is forbidden to open a refrigerator even if the compressor is already running. He explains that since there is a concern of a potential biblical prohibition if it isn't already running. He doesn't consider this to be a dvar sheino mitchaven since it is theoretically possible to ascertain if the compressor will turn on upon opening the refrigerator (see Taz 316:3 regarding the definition of a pesik reisha). Furthermore, he says that it is forbidden to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running since it is likely to come to a prohibition if a person would open it at the wrong time. </ref>		# The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all. <ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1, p. 199) quotes the Chazon Ish as ruling that it is forbidden to open a refrigerator even if the compressor is already running. He explains that since there is a concern of a potential biblical prohibition if it isn't already running. He doesn't consider this to be a dvar sheino mitchaven since it is theoretically possible to ascertain if the compressor will turn on upon opening the refrigerator (see Taz 316:3 regarding the definition of a pesik reisha). Furthermore, he says that it is forbidden to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running since it is likely to come to a prohibition if a person would open it at the wrong time. </ref>
	# The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it.<ref>Rav Yosef Henkin ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=2274&st=&pgnum=123 Edut L'Yisrael p. 122]) writes that one should be strict to only open the refrigerator when the compressor is already running even though he feels that the primary halacha is that there's melacha involved with causing the compressor to begin (see Edut L'Yisrael pp. 151-4). In explaining why it should be permitted to open the refrigerator when the compressor isn't running he writes that since the melacha doesn't occur immediately (grama) and is physically disconnected from where he acted it isn't considered as though he did any melacha. He considers this better than a pesik reisha and considers it not to be a melacha at all just like closing the door of a house in which a candle is burning and will burn longer once the door is closed. Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 2:68) writes that it is good to be strict only to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running like Rav Henkin. See, however, Igrot Moshe (4:74 Bishul no. 28) and [~~http~~://koltorah.org/~~ravj~~/~~Opening_Refrigerators_on_Shabbat_1.html~~ "Opening Refrigerators on Shabbat" by Rabbi Jachter].</ref>		# The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it.<ref>Rav Yosef Henkin ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=2274&st=&pgnum=123 Edut L'Yisrael p. 122]) writes that one should be strict to only open the refrigerator when the compressor is already running even though he feels that the primary halacha is that there's melacha involved with causing the compressor to begin (see Edut L'Yisrael pp. 151-4). In explaining why it should be permitted to open the refrigerator when the compressor isn't running he writes that since the melacha doesn't occur immediately (grama) and is physically disconnected from where he acted it isn't considered as though he did any melacha. He considers this better than a pesik reisha and considers it not to be a melacha at all just like closing the door of a house in which a candle is burning and will burn longer once the door is closed. Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 2:68) writes that it is good to be strict only to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running like Rav Henkin. See, however, Igrot Moshe (4:74 Bishul no. 28) and [https://www.koltorah.org/halachah/opening-refrigerators-on-shabbat-by-rabbi-chaim-jachter "Opening Refrigerators on Shabbat" by Rabbi Jachter].</ref>
	# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>		# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10. See more on this topic in R’ Simcha Zelig Reguer’s tshuva in the [https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=12073#p=8&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= Hapardes Journal (No. 8 Vol. 3, June 1934)].</ref>

	See the discussion of '''Today's refrigerators''' on the [[Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page]].		See the discussion of '''Today's refrigerators''' on the [[Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page]].
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	In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:		In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:
	# The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all. <ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1, p. 199) quotes the Chazon Ish as ruling that it is forbidden to open a refrigerator even if the compressor is already running. He explains that since there is a concern of a potential ~~Biblical~~ prohibition if it isn't already running. He doesn't consider this to be a dvar sheino mitchaven since it is theoretically possible to ascertain if the compressor will turn on upon opening the refrigerator (see Taz 316:3 regarding the definition of a pesik reisha). Furthermore, he says that it is forbidden to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running since it is likely to come to a prohibition if a person would open it at the wrong time. </ref>		# The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all. <ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1, p. 199) quotes the Chazon Ish as ruling that it is forbidden to open a refrigerator even if the compressor is already running. He explains that since there is a concern of a potential biblical prohibition if it isn't already running. He doesn't consider this to be a dvar sheino mitchaven since it is theoretically possible to ascertain if the compressor will turn on upon opening the refrigerator (see Taz 316:3 regarding the definition of a pesik reisha). Furthermore, he says that it is forbidden to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running since it is likely to come to a prohibition if a person would open it at the wrong time. </ref>
	# The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it.<ref>Rav Yosef Henkin ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=2274&st=&pgnum=123 Edut L'Yisrael p. 122]) writes that one should be strict to only open the refrigerator when the compressor is already running even though he feels that the primary halacha is that there's melacha involved with causing the compressor to begin (see Edut L'Yisrael pp. 151-4). In explaining why it should be permitted to open the refrigerator when the compressor isn't running he writes that since the melacha doesn't occur immediately (grama) and is physically disconnected from where he acted it isn't considered as though he did any melacha. He considers this better than a pesik reisha and considers it not to be a melacha at all just like closing the door of a house in which a candle is burning and will burn longer once the door is closed. Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 2:68) writes that it is good to be strict only to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running like Rav Henkin. See, however, Igrot Moshe (4:74 Bishul no. 28) and [http://koltorah.org/ravj/Opening_Refrigerators_on_Shabbat_1.html "Opening Refrigerators on Shabbat" by Rabbi Jachter].</ref>		# The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it.<ref>Rav Yosef Henkin ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=2274&st=&pgnum=123 Edut L'Yisrael p. 122]) writes that one should be strict to only open the refrigerator when the compressor is already running even though he feels that the primary halacha is that there's melacha involved with causing the compressor to begin (see Edut L'Yisrael pp. 151-4). In explaining why it should be permitted to open the refrigerator when the compressor isn't running he writes that since the melacha doesn't occur immediately (grama) and is physically disconnected from where he acted it isn't considered as though he did any melacha. He considers this better than a pesik reisha and considers it not to be a melacha at all just like closing the door of a house in which a candle is burning and will burn longer once the door is closed. Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 2:68) writes that it is good to be strict only to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running like Rav Henkin. See, however, Igrot Moshe (4:74 Bishul no. 28) and [http://koltorah.org/ravj/Opening_Refrigerators_on_Shabbat_1.html "Opening Refrigerators on Shabbat" by Rabbi Jachter].</ref>
	# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>		# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>

YitzchakSultan at 19:12, 8 November 2016

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	See the discussion of '''Today's refrigerators''' on the [[~~'''~~Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page~~'''~~]].		See the discussion of '''Today's refrigerators''' on the [[Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page]].
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Halachawhiz at 15:08, 7 November 2016

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	# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>		# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>

	See the discussion of ~~modern~~ refrigerators on the [['''Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page''']].		See the discussion of '''Today's refrigerators''' on the [['''Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page''']].
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Halachawhiz at 15:08, 7 November 2016

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	~~'''~~See the discussion of modern refrigerators on the~~'''~~		See the discussion of modern refrigerators on the [['''Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page''']].
	[['''Talk:Refrigerators on Shabbos\|discussion page''']].
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	In Eretz Yisrael, most poskim today forbid using a refrigerator on Shabbat without some type of Shabbos mode switch. More recently refrigerators are being made with approval from Kashrut organizations that ensure these systems are not tampered with on Shabbos.		In Eretz Yisrael, most poskim today forbid using a refrigerator on Shabbat without some type of Shabbos mode switch. More recently refrigerators are being made with approval from Kashrut organizations that ensure these systems are not tampered with on Shabbos.
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YitzchakSultan at 02:15, 7 November 2016

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	In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:		In refrigerators with a compressor only, there were three opinions in the poskim if it was allowed to be opened on Shabbos:
			# The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all. <ref>Rav Nissim Karelitz (Chut Shani Shabbat v. 1, p. 199) quotes the Chazon Ish as ruling that it is forbidden to open a refrigerator even if the compressor is already running. He explains that since there is a concern of a potential Biblical prohibition if it isn't already running. He doesn't consider this to be a dvar sheino mitchaven since it is theoretically possible to ascertain if the compressor will turn on upon opening the refrigerator (see Taz 316:3 regarding the definition of a pesik reisha). Furthermore, he says that it is forbidden to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running since it is likely to come to a prohibition if a person would open it at the wrong time. </ref>
	1. The refrigerator is not allowed to be opened on Shabbos at all (Chazon Ish. ~~See Chut HaShani-1 pg~~.~~199~~).		# The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it.<ref>Rav Yosef Henkin ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=2274&st=&pgnum=123 Edut L'Yisrael p. 122]) writes that one should be strict to only open the refrigerator when the compressor is already running even though he feels that the primary halacha is that there's melacha involved with causing the compressor to begin (see Edut L'Yisrael pp. 151-4). In explaining why it should be permitted to open the refrigerator when the compressor isn't running he writes that since the melacha doesn't occur immediately (grama) and is physically disconnected from where he acted it isn't considered as though he did any melacha. He considers this better than a pesik reisha and considers it not to be a melacha at all just like closing the door of a house in which a candle is burning and will burn longer once the door is closed. Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe OC 2:68) writes that it is good to be strict only to open the refrigerator when the compressor is running like Rav Henkin. See, however, Igrot Moshe (4:74 Bishul no. 28) and [http://koltorah.org/ravj/Opening_Refrigerators_on_Shabbat_1.html "Opening Refrigerators on Shabbat" by Rabbi Jachter].</ref>
			# The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running.<ref>Minchat Shlomo 1:10</ref>
	2. The refrigerator was allowed to be opened only while the compressor was running so that letting the warm air in would not directly activate it (~~Igros~~ Moshe ~~O’CH~~ 2:68).

	3. The refrigerator could be opened even when the compressor was not running . ~~(Minchas~~ Shlomo 1:10)

	~~With the compressor problem many people are lenient. (Even in The U.S. where Rav Moshe Feinstein zt'l was more stringent).~~


	'''Refrigerators Today'''		'''Refrigerators Today'''


	Today, manufacturers are introducing new electronic systems into the refrigerator.		Today, manufacturers are introducing new electronic systems into the refrigerator.
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	''''''Method 2'''- Adaptive Defrost'''		''''''Method 2'''- Adaptive Defrost'''
	Instead of activating the defrost on a timer, a computer calculates the compressor run time only,and then turns it on every few hours for a short period.		Instead of activating the defrost on a timer, a computer calculates the compressor run time only, and then turns it on every few hours for a short period.
	This is a real problem to use on Shabbos. If the refrigerator door is opened, hot air that enters causes the temperature to rise and the compressor needs to run longer to keep the food cool. Longer compressor run time means the defrost cycle activates sooner than it would have.		This is a real problem to use on Shabbos. If the refrigerator door is opened, hot air that enters causes the temperature to rise and the compressor needs to run longer to keep the food cool. Longer compressor run time means the defrost cycle activates sooner than it would have.
	According to many poskim this is a serious concern. Causing the heating coil to ignite is d’oraysa- a biblical prohibition. The defrost coil is a gacheles shel mateches, which is classified as igniting a flame - havarah .		According to many poskim this is a serious concern. Causing the heating coil to ignite is d’oraysa- a biblical prohibition. The defrost coil is a gacheles shel mateches, which is classified as igniting a flame - havarah.

	'''Method 3- Electromagnetic Sensors'''		'''Method 3- Electromagnetic Sensors'''
	These are usually embedded inside the door and undetectable. ~~they~~ count how many times the door is opened and closed		These are usually embedded inside the door and undetectable. They count how many times the door is opened and closed.
	The door sensors count the number of times a refrigerator door is opened and closed and activate the coil after a certain number of times. The reason they use this method is that the more the door is opened the more warm air is let in causing ice buildup. So for an example, after 20 times of warm air entering the refrigerator, they estimate, the freezer needs a defrost cycle.		The door sensors count the number of times a refrigerator door is opened and closed and activate the coil after a certain number of times. The reason they use this method is that the more the door is opened the more warm air is let in causing ice buildup. So for an example, after 20 times of warm air entering the refrigerator, they estimate, the freezer needs a defrost cycle.
	Here, opening the door constitutes a direct action of igniting the defrost after a certain amount of times the door is opened~~. Even~~ if unintentional.		Here, opening the door constitutes a direct action of igniting the defrost after a certain amount of times the door is opened even if unintentional.

	'''Damper and Fan'''		'''Damper and Fan'''
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	An electric circuit simply powers machines with electricity. However, an electronic circuit can interpret a signal or an instruction, and perform a task to suit the circumstance.		An electric circuit simply powers machines with electricity. However, an electronic circuit can interpret a signal or an instruction, and perform a task to suit the circumstance.

	Modern refrigerators use a combination of electronic and electrical circuitry. A refrigerator has auto defrost, compressor, damper vent and fan and digital thermostat. The electronics decide when to activate each of these.		Modern refrigerators use a combination of electronic and electrical circuitry. A refrigerator has auto defrost, compressor, damper vent and fan, and digital thermostat. The electronics decide when to activate each of these.
	For example when the temperature is set via the control panel or dial inside the refrigerators, the instructions are interpreted by microprocessors. When the electronic circuit has interpreted these commands, it sends signals to the electrical circuit to operate the compressor, defrost or other systems, to keep systems at optimum performance levels and the food temperatures stable.		For example, when the temperature is set via the control panel or dial inside the refrigerators, the instructions are interpreted by microprocessors. When the electronic circuit has interpreted these commands, it sends signals to the electrical circuit to operate the compressor, defrost or other systems, to keep systems at optimum performance levels and the food temperatures stable.

	So each time the door is opened the microprocessor makes many changes to the calculations so that it can adjust the systems accordingly: How often to turn on the compressor, when to open the damper vent, how wide to open it, when to turn on the defrost etc. Every change in calculation creates a new electronic switch in the circuitry.		So each time the door is opened the microprocessor makes many changes to the calculations so that it can adjust the systems accordingly: How often to turn on the compressor, when to open the damper vent, how wide to open it, when to turn on the defrost, etc. Every change in calculation creates a new electronic switch in the circuitry.

	In Eretz Yisrael most poskim today forbid using a refrigerator on Shabbat without some type of Shabbos mode switch. More recently refrigerators are being made with approval from Kashrut ~~orginizations~~ that ensure these systems are not tampered with on Shabbos.		In Eretz Yisrael, most poskim today forbid using a refrigerator on Shabbat without some type of Shabbos mode switch. More recently refrigerators are being made with approval from Kashrut organizations that ensure these systems are not tampered with on Shabbos.