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	~~== The Biblical Prohibition ==~~		#REDIRECT [[Milk and Meat]]



	~~'''Nature of the Prohibition'''~~

	The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>
	Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>
	~~S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>~~


	~~'''"Derekh Bishul"'''~~

	~~Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical''~~

	~~The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade~~ [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the qualification that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> Hullin 108A </ref> prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together.<ref> Ibid </ref> For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically prohibited (even though soaking or pickling something for 24 hours is generally considered cooking Halakhically <ref> ''requires source'' </ref>).

	Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here. It is Rabbinically forbidden to eat milk and meat together if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>, and to cook milk with meat without using fire and water (e.g. roasting).


	~~'''Ambuguity of the Torah'''~~

	The Torah only refers to a "גדי"; however, our Sages have taught us that a "kid" refers to all kosher domesticated animals (e.g. sheep, cows). We were also taught that all types of milk are prohibited to cook with, not only the milk of the mother. Rather, the reason why the Torah was so specific is because it was speaking in the present <ref>
	Maimonides in Guide to the Perplexed 3:48 even suggests that the practice of cooking a kid in its mother's milk may have been an idolatrous one.</ref> (i.e. that the verse spoke in terms which are similar to the way the world functioned at the time).<ref>
	~~S"A Y"D 87:2 </ref>~~


	~~== Contemporary Issues ==~~

	~~If one uses a microwave for meat and for dairy (at different times), some authorities hold that one should preferably double wrap all foods<ref>~~ [http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/is_your_oven_kosher_what_every_kosher_cook_must_know/ The OU] quotes Rav Yisrael Belsky who says that preferably one should double wrap food put in a microwave if it's used for meat and dairy (at different times). </ref>, however, some authorities hold that covering it well with one covering is sufficient. Some also advise using different trays one should dairy and one for meat. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Isser Veheter, vol 3, pg 167) rules that if the microwave works only on radiation (without a heater) one should make sure to cover all food very well and then it would be permissible to use it for meat and dairy one after another. This is also the opinion of [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=8/9/2004 Rabbi Mansour] ~~at Dailyhalach.com [http://www.bknw.org/pafiledb/uploads/Kashrus%20of%20a%20Microwave%20-%20new.pdf Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz~~] ~~writes that one covering should suffice to inhibit the splattering of food and steam from being released, however, he adds that it is advisable to use separate plates for dairy than for meat. </ref>~~

	~~==References==~~
	~~<references/>~~

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	Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here. It is Rabbinically forbidden to eat milk and meat together if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>, and to cook milk with meat without using fire and water (e.g. roasting).		Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here. It is Rabbinically forbidden to eat milk and meat together if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>, and to cook milk with meat without using fire and water (e.g. roasting).

	~~== Ambuigity of the Torah ==~~

			'''Ambuguity of the Torah'''

	The Torah only refers to a "גדי"; however, our Sages have taught us that a "kid" refers to all kosher domesticated animals (e.g. sheep, cows). We were also taught that all types of milk are prohibited to cook with, not only the milk of the mother. Rather, the reason why the Torah was so specific is because it was speaking in the present <ref>		The Torah only refers to a "גדי"; however, our Sages have taught us that a "kid" refers to all kosher domesticated animals (e.g. sheep, cows). We were also taught that all types of milk are prohibited to cook with, not only the milk of the mother. Rather, the reason why the Torah was so specific is because it was speaking in the present <ref>

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	'''"Derekh Bishul"'''		'''"Derekh Bishul"'''

	Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical'' ~~prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together.<ref> Ibid </ref>~~		Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical''
	~~For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden.~~

	The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the ~~qualificaion~~ that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> ''~~Need Reference~~''</ref>		The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the qualification that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> Hullin 108A </ref> prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together.<ref> Ibid </ref> For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically prohibited (even though soaking or pickling something for 24 hours is generally considered cooking Halakhically <ref> ''requires source'' </ref>).

	Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here~~, the Sages also forbade eating~~ milk and meat together ~~even~~ if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>~~; or~~, ~~"cooking"~~ milk with meat without using fire (e.g. roasting).		Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here. It is Rabbinically forbidden to eat milk and meat together if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>, and to cook milk with meat without using fire and water (e.g. roasting).

	== Ambuigity of the Torah ==		== Ambuigity of the Torah ==

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	For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden.		For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden.

	The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the qualificaion that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> </ref>		The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the qualificaion that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> ''Need Reference''</ref>

	Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here, the Sages also forbade eating milk and meat together even if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>; or, "cooking" milk with meat without using fire (e.g. roasting)		Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here, the Sages also forbade eating milk and meat together even if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>; or, "cooking" milk with meat without using fire (e.g. roasting).

	== Ambuigity of the Torah ==		== Ambuigity of the Torah ==

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	== The Biblical Prohibition ==		== The Biblical Prohibition ==


			'''Nature of the Prohibition'''

	The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>		The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>
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	S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>

	Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical'' prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together<ref> ~~ibid Seif 3~~</ref>. For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden. ~~This~~ concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "Derekh Bishul Asera Torah-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner".
			'''"Derekh Bishul"'''

			Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical'' prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together.<ref> Ibid </ref>
			For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden.

			The above concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "''Derekh Bishul Asera Torah''-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner". Included in the law of "''derekh bishul''" is the qualificaion that only cooking with fire (similar to the prohibtion of cooking on Shabbat) is considered "cooking" from the Torah's point of view. <ref> </ref>

			Please take note that we are only speaking in terms of the Torah prohibition here, the Sages also forbade eating milk and meat together even if they were not cooked together <ref> S"A, ibid </ref>; or, "cooking" milk with meat without using fire (e.g. roasting)

	== Ambuigity of the Torah ==		== Ambuigity of the Torah ==

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	== ~~Source for the~~ Biblical Prohibition ==		== The Biblical Prohibition ==

	The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>		The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>
	Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>		Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>
	S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>

			Our Sages teach us that the language of "לֹא-'''תְבַשֵּׁל'''-You shall not '''cook'''" implies that the ''Biblical'' prohibition only applies to milk and meat '''cooked''' together<ref> ibid Seif 3</ref>. For example: If a piece of meat was soaking in milk for 24 hours; it would not be Biblically forbiden. This concept is referred to in the Talmudic phrase: "Derekh Bishul Asera Torah-The Torah only forbade [milk and meat in] a cooking manner".

	== Ambuigity of the Torah ==		== Ambuigity of the Torah ==

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	The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that ~~each of~~ the ~~verses is used to seperately teach~~ us the ~~prohibition~~ of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>		The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that the repitition teachs us the prohibitions of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>
	Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>		Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>
	S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>


	== Ambuigity of the Torah ==		== Ambuigity of the Torah ==

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	== Source for the Biblical Prohibition ==		== Source for the Biblical Prohibition ==

	The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn ~~from the repitition~~ of the ~~verse that their~~ is a prohibition ~~to cook~~, ~~eat~~, and have (monetary) benefit <ref>		The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn that each of the verses is used to seperately teach us the prohibition of cooking, eating, and have any type of (monetary included) benefit <ref>
	Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> ~~from~~ milk cooked in meat (or vice versa).<ref>		Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> of milk cooked with meat (or vice versa).<ref>
	S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>

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	# The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn from the repitition of the verse that their is a prohibition to cook, eat, and have (monetary) benefit <ref>
			The Torah states three times "לֹא-תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ-You shall not cook a kid (baby goat) in its mother's milk" (Exod. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 14:21). Our Sages learn from the repitition of the verse that their is a prohibition to cook, eat, and have (monetary) benefit <ref>
	Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> from milk cooked in meat (or vice versa).<ref>		Maimonides in Ma'akhalot 'Asorot 9:2 explains that when the Torah only mentions the prohibition of ''cooking'' milk and meat together it means to say that in addition to not eating or having benefit from it, cooking is ''also'' prohibited. Rendering it unnecessary to mention the consumption of and the benefit from milk and meat. Similar to how the verse only prohibits one to have relations with his daughter's daughter, but makes no mention of not having relations with one's own daughter; the latter, unmentioned portion, is taken as a given. </ref> from milk cooked in meat (or vice versa).<ref>
	S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:1 </ref>
	# The Torah only refers to a "גדי"; however, our Sages have taught us that a "kid" refers to all kosher domesticated animals (e.g. sheep, cows). We were also taught that all types of milk are prohibited to cook with, not only the milk of the mother. Rather, the reason why the Torah was so specific is because it was speaking in the present <ref>

			== Ambuigity of the Torah ==


			The Torah only refers to a "גדי"; however, our Sages have taught us that a "kid" refers to all kosher domesticated animals (e.g. sheep, cows). We were also taught that all types of milk are prohibited to cook with, not only the milk of the mother. Rather, the reason why the Torah was so specific is because it was speaking in the present <ref>
	Maimonides in Guide to the Perplexed 3:48 even suggests that the practice of cooking a kid in its mother's milk may have been an idolatrous one.</ref> (i.e. that the verse spoke in terms which are similar to the way the world functioned at the time).<ref>		Maimonides in Guide to the Perplexed 3:48 even suggests that the practice of cooking a kid in its mother's milk may have been an idolatrous one.</ref> (i.e. that the verse spoke in terms which are similar to the way the world functioned at the time).<ref>
	S"A Y"D 87:2 </ref>		S"A Y"D 87:2 </ref>

	Contemporary Issues
	# If one uses a microwave for meat and for dairy (at different times), some authorities hold that one should preferably double wrap all foods<ref> [http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/is_your_oven_kosher_what_every_kosher_cook_must_know/ The OU] quotes Rav Yisrael Belsky who says that preferably one should double wrap food put in a microwave if it's used for meat and dairy (at different times). </ref>, however, some authorities hold that covering it well with one covering is sufficient. Some also advise using different trays one should dairy and one for meat. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Isser Veheter, vol 3, pg 167) rules that if the microwave works only on radiation (without a heater) one should make sure to cover all food very well and then it would be permissible to use it for meat and dairy one after another. ~~THis~~ is also the opinion of [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=8/9/2004 Rabbi Mansour] at Dailyhalach.com [http://www.bknw.org/pafiledb/uploads/Kashrus%20of%20a%20Microwave%20-%20new.pdf Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes that one covering should suffice to inhibit the splattering of food and steam from being released, however, he adds that it is advisable to use separate plates for dairy than for meat. </ref>		== Contemporary Issues ==

			If one uses a microwave for meat and for dairy (at different times), some authorities hold that one should preferably double wrap all foods<ref> [http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/is_your_oven_kosher_what_every_kosher_cook_must_know/ The OU] quotes Rav Yisrael Belsky who says that preferably one should double wrap food put in a microwave if it's used for meat and dairy (at different times). </ref>, however, some authorities hold that covering it well with one covering is sufficient. Some also advise using different trays one should dairy and one for meat. <ref>Yalkut Yosef (Isser Veheter, vol 3, pg 167) rules that if the microwave works only on radiation (without a heater) one should make sure to cover all food very well and then it would be permissible to use it for meat and dairy one after another. This is also the opinion of [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=8/9/2004 Rabbi Mansour] at Dailyhalach.com [http://www.bknw.org/pafiledb/uploads/Kashrus%20of%20a%20Microwave%20-%20new.pdf Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes that one covering should suffice to inhibit the splattering of food and steam from being released, however, he adds that it is advisable to use separate plates for dairy than for meat. </ref>

	==References==		==References==
	<references/>		<references/>