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	# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660).		#REDIRECT [[Bishul]]
	* However, [http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat Rabbi Chaim Jachter] quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on [[Shabbat]] using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara [[Shabbat]] 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat [[Shabbat]] kihilchita chapter 1 note 152) is quoted as saying that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>
	# The preferable way of making tea on [[Shabbat]] is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before [[Shabbat]], saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before [[Shabbat]] some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>
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	* [[Cooking]] ([[Bishul]])
	~~==References==~~
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YitzchakSultan: Text replace - "Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata " to "Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata "

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	# The preferable way of making tea on [[Shabbat]] is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on [[Shabbat]] is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before [[Shabbat]], saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before [[Shabbat]], saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before [[Shabbat]] some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before [[Shabbat]] some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>
	==Related pages==		==Related pages==
	* [[Cooking]] ([[Bishul]])		* [[Cooking]] ([[Bishul]])
	==References==		==References==
	<references/>		<references/>

YitzchakSultan: Text replace - "Shabbat" to "Shabbat"

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	# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660).		# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660).
	* However, [http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat Rabbi Chaim Jachter] quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on Shabbat using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara Shabbat 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat Shabbat kihilchita chapter 1 note 152) is quoted as saying that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>		* However, [http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat Rabbi Chaim Jachter] quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on [[Shabbat]] using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara [[Shabbat]] 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat [[Shabbat]] kihilchita chapter 1 note 152) is quoted as saying that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>
	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on [[Shabbat]] is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before [[Shabbat]], saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before [[Shabbat]] some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>
	==Related pages==		==Related pages==
	* [[Cooking]] ([[Bishul]])		* [[Cooking]] ([[Bishul]])
	==References==		==References==
	<references/>		<references/>

YitzchakSultan at 05:41, 8 January 2012

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	# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660). ~~Rabbi Chaim Jachter (~~http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat) quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on Shabbat using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara Shabbat 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat Shabbat kihilchita chapter 1 note 152 that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>		# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660).
			* However, [http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat Rabbi Chaim Jachter] quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on Shabbat using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara Shabbat 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat Shabbat kihilchita chapter 1 note 152) is quoted as saying that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>
	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>
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	* http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos
	==References==		==References==
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Dlhanon at 21:41, 7 January 2012

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	# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660) </ref>		# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, Aruch Hashulchan 318:28, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660). Rabbi Chaim Jachter (http://koltorah.org/old/halachah/making-tea-shabbat) quotes Rabbi Yosef Adler quoting Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik who said that his grandfather Rav Chaim Soloveitchik made tea on Shabbat using a Kli Sheni, because the gemara Shabbat 42b says that it is permissible to put spices into a kli sheini, and Rav Chaim considered tea to be a spice. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (quoted in Shmirat Shabbat kihilchita chapter 1 note 152 that the spices referred to in the gemara in shabbat 42b were different then the spices of today, and that today's spices would be considered like kalei habishul. </ref>
	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>

ChachamY at 23:45, 16 June 2011

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	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/~~754922~~/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/~~Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos~~ Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] ~~says that it seems that~~ Mishna Brurah ~~is strict on this issue~~. ~~However,~~ in ~~an earlier article,~~ [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/~~735738~~/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/~~Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz~~] ~~wrote "The~~ Mishna Brurah ~~writes that one may not cook tea even in a~~ Kli Shelishi~~." which seemingly is slightly inaccurate~~.] </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] writes "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." and in a [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Ten Minute Halacha] repeats the same statement which seemingly is inaccurate as the Mishna Brurah actually makes no mention of Kli Shelishi at all.] </ref>
	==Links==		==Links==
	* http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/bishul2.htm		* http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/bishul2.htm

ChachamY at 23:42, 16 June 2011

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	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat ~~many~~ are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15), 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661) </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat some poskim are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15) writes that a Kli Shelishi doesn't cook at all and so it's permissible to put a tea bag in a Kli Shelishi. This is also the opinion of the 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661). There are some who disagreed with this idea, namely the Aruch HaShulchan 318:28 and Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 1:63 (in the new edition, see note 192). [The Mishna Brurah 318:39 clearly leave out this option implying that it's not a valid alternative. [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] says that it seems that Mishna Brurah is strict on this issue. However, in an earlier article, [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735738/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Making_Tea_on_Shabbos Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] wrote "The Mishna Brurah writes that one may not cook tea even in a Kli Shelishi." which seemingly is slightly inaccurate.] </ref>
	==Links==		==Links==
	* http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/bishul2.htm		* http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/bishul2.htm
			* http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/754922/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Ten_Minute_Halacha_-_Making_Tea_on_Shabbos
	==References==		==References==
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ChachamY at 23:22, 16 June 2011

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	# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn.		# According to many poskim tea leaves are considered foods which cook easily and could cook in a Kli Sheni and therefore it's forbidden to put a tea bag in a cup and pour upon it boiling water from the urn nor may the tea bag be put in a cup in which water was poured from an urn. <ref> Mishna Brurah 318:39, 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 660) </ref>
	# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>		# The preferable way of making tea on Shabbat is to use instant tea which may be placed in a Kli Sheni (a cup with water which was poured from an urn) and better yet in a Kli Shelishi (a cup with water which was poured from a Kli Sheni). <ref>Igrot Moshe 4:74(16) </ref>
	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>

ChachamY at 23:19, 16 June 2011

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	# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>		# Another preferable method is to prepare "tea essence" by cooking a tea bag before Shabbat, saving the flavored liquid, and putting it into a Kli Sheni (a cup with hot water which was poured from an urn). <ref>Mishna Brurah 318:39 </ref>
	# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat many are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15), 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661) </ref>		# Lastly, if one didn't prepare tea essence before Shabbat many are lenient to make tea using a Kli Shelishi by pouring boiling water from an urn to a cup (Kli Sheni) and from that cup to another cup (Kli Shelishi) and putting the tea bag in the Kli Shelishi. <ref> Igrot Moshe 4:74(15), 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 661) </ref>
			==Links==
			* http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/bishul2.htm
	==References==		==References==
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