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	~~==Introduction==~~		#REDIRECT [[Bread]]
	# ~~Bread of any size is HaMotzei, even if it's crumbled into small pieces. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:49 </ref>~~
	~~# There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref>~~
	~~==Cooked bread==~~
	~~# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a~~ [[~~Kezayit~~]] ~~and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>~~
	# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	# If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	# According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	~~==Fried bread==~~
	# There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref>
	# Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref>
	* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].
	* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.
	* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is Mezonot. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> According to Sephardim, who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei on Pesach, Matzah Brei on Pesach is Mezonot as Sephardim. <ref> See
	Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 65) writes that if the pieces are larger than a [[Kezayit]] the bracha is hamotzei. Piskei Teshuvot (168 note 120) writes that for Sephardim who consider Matza all year round as Mezonot can consider Matza Brei as Mezonot on Pesach. </ref>However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning the Bracha is HaMotzei. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>
	# French Toast is usually HaMotzei because it remains in pieces larger than a Kezayit, however, if the bread is broken into small pieces and then fried, there's a doubt about the bracha and one should eat it in a meal. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref>

	~~==Kneaded with a liquid==~~
	~~# If the bread is crumbled and stuck together using a liquid and now has no look of bread is considered Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>~~
	~~# Therefore, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzah is HaMotzei all year, Matzah meal that was mixed with liquid is Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 24, chapter 3) </ref>~~
	~~==Practical examples==~~
	# Chocolate covered Matzah is HaMotzei according to Ashkenazim who hold that it's HaMotzei all year and according to Sephardim on Pesach then it's HaMotzei. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 24, chapter 3) </ref>
	~~# Matzah balls is Mezonot because they are crumbled and then cooked. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3) </ref>~~
	# Challah Kugel which is made from pieces of challah and kneaded together (and the bread is unrecognizable) and then baked, if it was just kneaded with water, the bracha is HaMotzei, if it was made with water and a little oil, sugar, honey, or fruit juice, then there's a doubt as to it's proper bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, and lastly, if it was made with a lot of sugar, oil, honey, or fruit juice then the bracha is Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 474, chapter 26) </ref>
	~~# Matzah meal cakes are Mezonot when the dough was made from majority of sweeteners as opposed to water (as is the usual case). <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3) </ref>~~

	~~==References==~~
	~~<references/>~~

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	# There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref>		# There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref>
	==Cooked bread==		==Cooked bread==
	# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a Kezayit and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>		# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a [[Kezayit]] and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>
	# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>		# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	# If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>		# If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	# According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>		# According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
	==Fried bread==		==Fried bread==
	# There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a Kezayit that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref>		# There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref>
	# Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a Kezayit and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref>		# Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a [[Kezayit]] and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref>
	* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].		* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].
	* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.		* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.

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	* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.		* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.
	* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is Mezonot. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> According to Sephardim, who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei on Pesach, Matzah Brei on Pesach is Mezonot as Sephardim. <ref> See		* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is Mezonot. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> According to Sephardim, who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei on Pesach, Matzah Brei on Pesach is Mezonot as Sephardim. <ref> See
	Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 65) writes that if the pieces are larger than a ~~kezayit~~ the bracha is hamotzei. Piskei Teshuvot (168 note 120) writes that for Sephardim who consider Matza all year round as Mezonot can consider Matza Brei as Mezonot on Pesach. </ref>However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning the Bracha is HaMotzei. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>		Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 65) writes that if the pieces are larger than a [[Kezayit]] the bracha is hamotzei. Piskei Teshuvot (168 note 120) writes that for Sephardim who consider Matza all year round as Mezonot can consider Matza Brei as Mezonot on Pesach. </ref>However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning the Bracha is HaMotzei. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>
	# French Toast is usually HaMotzei because it remains in pieces larger than a Kezayit, however, if the bread is broken into small pieces and then fried, there's a doubt about the bracha and one should eat it in a meal. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref>		# French Toast is usually HaMotzei because it remains in pieces larger than a Kezayit, however, if the bread is broken into small pieces and then fried, there's a doubt about the bracha and one should eat it in a meal. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref>

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==Introduction==
# Bread of any size is HaMotzei, even if it's crumbled into small pieces. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:49 </ref>
# There's three ways that bread can loose it's status of bread and become a food which requires Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 22, chapter 3) </ref>
==Cooked bread==
# Bread that was crumbled to a size of less than a Kezayit and also cooked in a liquid (as opposed to baking) it takes on the bracha of Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>
# In order to be considered cooked the pieces of bread have to be in a hot pot (at least Yad Soldet Bo) on the fire or at least a pot that was removed from the fire (Kli Rishon), however, if it was heated in a Kli Sheni (a pot from which hot water was poured from a pot that was on the fire) the bread isn't considered cooked and the bracha is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:52, Vezot HaBracha (pg 22 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
# If hot water that was poured from a pot that was on the the fire at one point, there's a doubt whether the bread is considered cooking and so in such a case one should make HaMotzei on real bread and eat it. <ref> Vezot (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
# According to Ashkenazim who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei if one dips Matzeh in a Kli Sheni (a cup of coffee which was poured from the water heater) the bracha is still HaMotzei. <ref> See Vezot HaBracha (pg 23 note 3, chapter 3) </ref>
==Fried bread==
# There's a doubt regarding bread which was crumbled to pieces smaller than a Kezayit that was fried there's a doubt whether the bracha is Mezonot or is HaMotzei. <ref> Mishna Brurah 168:56, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref> According to Sephardim, the bracha is Mezonot. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (vol 3, pg 127) </ref>
# Matzah Brei, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzeh is HaMotzei all year, if it's broken to pieces smaller than a Kezayit and then fried (with enough oil to give a taste to the Matzeh), there's a doubt about the bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, however if it's deep fried the bracha is Mezonot. <ref>
* Many Ashkenazic poskim write that the matza which is crumbled and fried is the same as bread which is crumbled and fried and according to the Mishna Brurah 168:56 there is a dispute whether frying is like cooking and so the bracha is in doubt. Therefore, one should eat it in a meal. However, if the pieces are deep fried then certainly the bracha is mezonot (based on Rama 168:14). This is the opinion of Sh"t Rivevot Efraim 6:234, Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 475, chapter 26), The laws of Brachos (Rabbi Binyamin Forst; chapter 8, pg 266 and pg 263 note 111), Rabbi Yisrael Belsky in [https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehalacha.com%2Fattach%2FVolume3%2FIssue13.pdf Halachically Speaking (vol 3, Issue 13, note 57)], and [http://www.kashrut.org/forum/viewpost.asp?mid=3312&highlight=brei Rabbi Abadi].
* There is a minority opinion of the Chazon Ish OC 26:9, Shoneh Halachot 168:32, and Teshuvot VeHanhagot 3:143(5) who hold that frying is certainly not considered like cooking and so the bracha is Hamotzei.
* See Sh"t Sheilat Shlomo 1:74 who holds that the bracha is Mezonot. See also Sh"t Shevet Ha’Levi 7:27(4), Minchas Osher pages 44-46, V’haish Mordechai pages 259-261, Shalmei Moed page 344, Kaf HaChaim 168:85, Avnei Yushfei 1:39:2, and http://www.mevaseret.org/mmy/searchshiurim.php?shiur=247. </ref> According to Sephardim, who hold that Matzah is HaMotzei on Pesach, Matzah Brei on Pesach is Mezonot as Sephardim. <ref> See
Chazon Ovadyah (Brachot pg 65) writes that if the pieces are larger than a kezayit the bracha is hamotzei. Piskei Teshuvot (168 note 120) writes that for Sephardim who consider Matza all year round as Mezonot can consider Matza Brei as Mezonot on Pesach. </ref>However, if it’s fried with a little oil, just enough to prevent it from burning the Bracha is HaMotzei. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur S”A 471:5) </ref>
# French Toast is usually HaMotzei because it remains in pieces larger than a Kezayit, however, if the bread is broken into small pieces and then fried, there's a doubt about the bracha and one should eat it in a meal. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 23, chapter 3) </ref>

==Kneaded with a liquid==
# If the bread is crumbled and stuck together using a liquid and now has no look of bread is considered Mezonot. <ref> S"A 168:10 </ref>
# Therefore, according to Ashkenazim who hold Matzah is HaMotzei all year, Matzah meal that was mixed with liquid is Mezonot. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 24, chapter 3) </ref>
==Practical examples==
# Chocolate covered Matzah is HaMotzei according to Ashkenazim who hold that it's HaMotzei all year and according to Sephardim on Pesach then it's HaMotzei. <ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 24, chapter 3) </ref>
# Matzah balls is Mezonot because they are crumbled and then cooked. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3) </ref>
# Challah Kugel which is made from pieces of challah and kneaded together (and the bread is unrecognizable) and then baked, if it was just kneaded with water, the bracha is HaMotzei, if it was made with water and a little oil, sugar, honey, or fruit juice, then there's a doubt as to it's proper bracha and so it should be eaten in a meal, and lastly, if it was made with a lot of sugar, oil, honey, or fruit juice then the bracha is Mezonot. <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3), Veten Bracha (Halachos of Brochos by Rabbi Bodner pg 474, chapter 26) </ref>
# Matzah meal cakes are Mezonot when the dough was made from majority of sweeteners as opposed to water (as is the usual case). <Ref> Vezot HaBracha (pg 25, chapter 3) </ref>

==References==
<references/>