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# According to Sephardim one may not fulfill the obligation of someone else in asher yatzer unless one is personally obligated.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 6:11. See also Yabia Omer OC 9:3:2.</ref>
# According to Sephardim one may not fulfill the obligation of someone else in asher yatzer unless one is personally obligated.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 6:11. See also Yabia Omer OC 9:3:2.</ref>
# If one already fulfilled Kiddush or didn't yet fulfill it but isn't going to fulfill it with this Kiddush he can still recite it for another person even if one doesn't eat it there his meal. However, he needs to give the cup to someone else to drink a Reviyit or a majority of it. Yet, if the person who is listening knows how to make Kiddush he should make it himself.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 273:4 writes that only if the person doesn't know how to recite kiddush can someone else make kiddush for them even though he isn't going to fulfill his obligation. The Mishna Brurah 273:20 disagrees and holds that it is only preferable to let the person hearing Kiddush and knows how to recite it to do it himself but after the fact certainly it is effective. Rav Ovadia Yosef in [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=25473&st=&pgnum=15 Kol Sinai Tevet 5724)] agrees after the fact.</ref>
# If one already fulfilled Kiddush or didn't yet fulfill it but isn't going to fulfill it with this Kiddush he can still recite it for another person even if one doesn't eat it there his meal. However, he needs to give the cup to someone else to drink a Reviyit or a majority of it. Yet, if the person who is listening knows how to make Kiddush he should make it himself.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 273:4 writes that only if the person doesn't know how to recite kiddush can someone else make kiddush for them even though he isn't going to fulfill his obligation. The Mishna Brurah 273:20 disagrees and holds that it is only preferable to let the person hearing Kiddush and knows how to recite it to do it himself but after the fact certainly it is effective. Rav Ovadia Yosef in [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=25473&st=&pgnum=15 Kol Sinai Tevet 5724)] agrees after the fact.</ref>
# If one didn't yet fulfill his mitzvah but is going to later on he can be motzei others in their mitzvah.<ref>Rif Pesachim 27a, Tur and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 484:1. The Rif says that you can make kiddush and the whole seder for many families either by first having the seder at home and then in everyone else's home or the opposite. The Tur 484:1 and Shulchan Aruch codify this as the halacha. Mishna Brurah 484:9 explains that even if you don't have kavana to be yotzei at the first person's home you can still be motzei the others but then one can't eat there since one didn't yet fulfill kiddush.</ref>


===If One Isn't Currently Obligated===
===If One Isn't Currently Obligated===