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# If the fruit aren’t in the place where they grew (they were moved) and are scattered in a field they may not be gathered and put in a basket; however, one may collect a few and eat them. However, if the fruits fell in one area one may gather them into a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 340:27 explains that collecting fruit not in the place where they grew is not Me’amer. Nonetheless, he concludes with a reference to S”A 335:5. S”A 335:5 writes that if fruit was scattered here and there throughout a field it is forbidden to gather them into a basket but one may gather them a little at a time to eat them, however, if they fell in one spot one may put them in a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. Mishna Brurah 335:17 explains that the prohibition in this case is not Me’amer (because the fruit didn’t grow in the courtyard) but still there’s a prohibition of Uvda DeChol (a weekday activity that involves excessive effort) which only applies if they are scattered or amongst sand or dirt. [Therefore, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 26:24 rules one may not collect fruit, leaves, or twigs in the place where they grew, however, if they were scattered in the field one may not collect them but can be collected a little at a time in order to be eaten. However, if they are in one place one may collect them unless they are mixed with sand for leaves one may only take one at a time in order to eat.] </ref>  
# If the fruit aren’t in the place where they grew (they were moved) and are scattered in a field they may not be gathered and put in a basket; however, one may collect a few and eat them. However, if the fruits fell in one area one may gather them into a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 340:27 explains that collecting fruit not in the place where they grew is not Me’amer. Nonetheless, he concludes with a reference to S”A 335:5. S”A 335:5 writes that if fruit was scattered here and there throughout a field it is forbidden to gather them into a basket but one may gather them a little at a time to eat them, however, if they fell in one spot one may put them in a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. Mishna Brurah 335:17 explains that the prohibition in this case is not Me’amer (because the fruit didn’t grow in the courtyard) but still there’s a prohibition of Uvda DeChol (a weekday activity that involves excessive effort) which only applies if they are scattered or amongst sand or dirt. [Therefore, Shemirat Shabbat KeHilchata 26:24 rules one may not collect fruit, leaves, or twigs in the place where they grew, however, if they were scattered in the field one may not collect them but can be collected a little at a time in order to be eaten. However, if they are in one place one may collect them unless they are mixed with sand for leaves one may only take one at a time in order to eat.] </ref>  
# If fruits or nuts fell and scattered in the house according to some authorities it is permissible to collect the scattered fruit, however, according to others it is forbidden to gather the fruit but if it impair proper Kavod [[Shabbat]] or not respectful for guests one may sweep it into a pile and then pick them up and if that’s not possible one may even gather them into the fruit drawer (of the refrigerator) or a bag. <Ref>
# If fruits or nuts fell and scattered in the house, according to some authorities, it is permissible to collect the scattered fruit, however, according to others, it is forbidden to gather the fruit, but if it impairs proper Kavod [[Shabbat]] or not respectful for guests one may sweep it into a pile and then pick them up and if that’s not possible one may even gather them into the fruit drawer (of the refrigerator) or a bag. <Ref>
*Those who are lenient: 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 312), Hilchos Shabbos (Rabbi Eider, vol 1, pg 85, Me’amer note 41), Nishmat [[Shabbat]] (335:145), and Or Letzion (vol 2, 43:7) agree that there’s no concern of Uvda DeChol with fruit that scattered in the house. 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 312) says that the same is true of nuts that fell and scattered. [Chut Sheni (vol 2, pg 51) on the one hand writes that there’s no Uvda DeChol when doing something that has no resemblance of a Melacha such as collecting toys made from something that grows from the ground (such as wood), however, he forbids collecting fruit scattered in the house or nuts scattered in the Shul.]  
*Those who are lenient: 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 312), Hilchos Shabbos (Rabbi Eider, vol 1, pg 85, Me’amer note 41), Nishmat [[Shabbat]] (335:145), and Or Letzion (vol 2, 43:7) agree that there’s no concern of Uvda DeChol with fruit that scattered in the house. 39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 312) says that the same is true of nuts that fell and scattered. [Chut Sheni (vol 2, pg 51) on the one hand writes that there’s no Uvda DeChol when doing something that has no resemblance of a Melacha such as collecting toys made from something that grows from the ground (such as wood), however, he forbids collecting fruit scattered in the house or nuts scattered in the Shul.]  
* Those who are strict: Chaye Adam ([[Shabbat]], 13:1), Kitzur S”A 80:10, Brit Olam (Me’amer #7, pg 32), Ayil Meshulash Me’amer (Siman 7, pg 173), Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 5:6), Orchot [[Shabbat]] (18:85, pg 509) and Sh”t Shevet HaKehati 2:148 agree that there is Uvda DeChol even if the fruit was scattered in the house. See also Eliyah Rabba (end of 335) who seems to agree. [Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 5, pg 2) quotes the dispute between the Az Nidbaru and Or Letzion and leaves it unresolved.]
* Those who are strict: Chaye Adam ([[Shabbat]], 13:1), Kitzur S”A 80:10, Brit Olam (Me’amer #7, pg 32), Ayil Meshulash Me’amer (Siman 7, pg 173), Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 5:6), Orchot [[Shabbat]] (18:85, pg 509) and Sh”t Shevet HaKehati 2:148 agree that there is Uvda DeChol even if the fruit was scattered in the house. See also Eliyah Rabba (end of 335) who seems to agree. [Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 5, pg 2) quotes the dispute between the Az Nidbaru and Or Letzion and leaves it unresolved.] Kitzur S"A writes that certainly if the fruit isn't scattered, (but in a pile, ) in the house there's no prohibition in collecting the fruit.
* [What is the opinion of the Mishna Brurah? S”A 340:9 rules that it’s forbidden to collect salt in the area of an evaporated salt deposit and the same is true for gathering anything in the place where it grew. The Mishna Brurah 340:37 points out that it’s permissible in terms of Me’amer to gather things in a place other than where they grew, for example it’s permissible to collect fruit which was scattered in the house. ]
* [What is the opinion of the Mishna Brurah? S”A 340:9 rules that it’s forbidden to collect salt in the area of an evaporated salt deposit and the same is true for gathering anything in the place where it grew. The Mishna Brurah 340:37 points out that it’s permissible in terms of Me’amer to gather things in a place other than where they grew, for example it’s permissible to collect fruit which was scattered in the house. ]
* [However, upon analysis the Mishna Brurah concludes his above statement with a reference to S”A 335:5. S”A 335:5 writes that if fruit was scattered here and there throughout a field it is forbidden to gather them into a basket but one may gather them a little at a time to eat them, however, if they fell in one spot one may put them in a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. Mishna Brurah 335:17 explains that the prohibition in this case is not Me’amer (because the fruit didn’t grow in the courtyard) but still there’s a prohibition of Uvda DeChol (a weekday activity that involves excessive effort) which only applies if they are scattered or amongst sand or dirt.]
* [However, upon analysis the Mishna Brurah concludes his above statement with a reference to S”A 335:5. S”A 335:5 writes that if fruit was scattered here and there throughout a field it is forbidden to gather them into a basket but one may gather them a little at a time to eat them, however, if they fell in one spot one may put them in a basket unless they fell among sand or dirt. Mishna Brurah 335:17 explains that the prohibition in this case is not Me’amer (because the fruit didn’t grow in the courtyard) but still there’s a prohibition of Uvda DeChol (a weekday activity that involves excessive effort) which only applies if they are scattered or amongst sand or dirt.]
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# It’s permissible to collect toys scattered across the floor or siddurim scattered around a shul. However, according to Sephardim it’s preferable not to pick up the toys by hand but rather to sweep them into the toy box. <Ref>Ayil Meshulash (Siman 7, pg 174) explains that there’s no prohibition of Me’amer nor Uvda DeChol collecting siddur in a shul or toys on the floor. Halachos of Shabbos (Rabbi Eider, vol 1, pg 85) and Practical Halachos of Shabbos (pg 25) agree. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 2, pg 391) agrees that it doesn’t involve Me’amer but holds that it’s preferable not to touch the toys by hand because of Muktzeh. </ref>  
# It’s permissible to collect toys scattered across the floor or siddurim scattered around a shul. However, according to Sephardim it’s preferable not to pick up the toys by hand but rather to sweep them into the toy box. <Ref>Ayil Meshulash (Siman 7, pg 174) explains that there’s no prohibition of Me’amer nor Uvda DeChol collecting siddur in a shul or toys on the floor. Halachos of Shabbos (Rabbi Eider, vol 1, pg 85) and Practical Halachos of Shabbos (pg 25) agree. Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 2, pg 391) agrees that it doesn’t involve Me’amer but holds that it’s preferable not to touch the toys by hand because of Muktzeh. </ref>  
# It is permitted to collect silverware scattered on a table. <Ref>39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 307) </ref>
# It is permitted to collect silverware scattered on a table. <Ref>39 Melachos (Rabbi Ribiat, vol 2, pg 307) </ref>
# The minhag to throw candies or nuts in shul for the aliyah of a groom (or the like) and the children collect the candies is not prohibited because of Me’amer. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 5, pg 7). Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 5:6) extends it even to nuts. [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2276 Rabbi Mansour] on Dailyhalacha.com agrees. </ref>
# The minhag to throw candies or nuts in shul for the aliyah of a groom (or the like) and the children collect the candies is not prohibited because of Me’amer. <Ref>Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 5, pg 7), Rav Mordechai Eliyahu's comment on Kitzur S"A 80:10. Menuchat Ahava (vol 2, 5:6) extends it even to nuts. [http://www.dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=2276 Rabbi Mansour] on Dailyhalacha.com agrees. </ref>
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