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# If one is fasting for a taanit chalom on [[sukkot]], one should still not recite the beracha on sleeping or sitting in the [[sukkah]], because the beracha was established for eating only. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 145 </ref> | # If one is fasting for a taanit chalom on [[sukkot]], one should still not recite the beracha on sleeping or sitting in the [[sukkah]], because the beracha was established for eating only. <ref> Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 145 </ref> | ||
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# | # There is an obligation to eat a Kezayit of bread in the Sukkah on the first night of Sukkot.<ref>The Rabbis in the Mishna (Sukkah 27a) hold that there is an obligation to eat in the Sukkah on the first night and afterwards it is optional to eat in the Sukkah. The gemara explains that the reason for the Rabbis is that they find a connection in the pesukim between Sukkot and Pesach and just like there is an obligation to eat Matzah on the first night of Pesach, so too there is an obligation to eat bread on the first night of Sukkot. * | ||
</ref> According to many rishonim there is an obligation to eat a meal in the Sukkah each day and night of Yom Tov.<ref>The Gemara Brachot 49b states that on Yom Tov one would have to repeat Birkat HaMazon if one forgot to say Yaaleh VeYavo because there is an obligation to eat a meal. The rishonim point out that this seems to be at odds with the gemara Sukkah 27a which says that it is optional to have a meal on Sukkot other than on the first night. | |||
* Some rishonim answer that there is an obligation to eat a meal each day and night of Yom Tov because of Yom Tov, but the obligation unique to the Sukkah is just the first night. If so, what's the difference between the obligation to eat a meal due to the fact that it is Yom Tov and the obligation to eat a because of the Sukkah? Rabbenu Yehuda (Tosfot Brachot 49b s.v. Iy; Rosh Brachot 7:23) answers that if it rains and one has to eat inside, if the obligation is just because of Yom Tov one would fulfill one's obligation. However, if the obligation is because of the Sukkah one would have to eat in the Sukkah anyway. Alternatively, the Ritva (Sukkah 27a s.v. VeShiur) quotes his Rebbe as explaining that while one can fulfill the regular Yom Tov meal by eating a Kezayit of bread outside the Sukkah, the first night meal needs to be eaten in the Sukkah even if it is only a Kezayit. | |||
* Other rishonim answer simply that the Gemara Brachot which said that it is an obligation to eat a meal on Yom Tov was referring to the first nights of Pesach and Sukkot. However, there's no obligation to eat a bread meal the rest of the days of Pesach and Sukkot. This is the opinion of the Tosfot (Sukkah 27a s.v. Iy) and Rashba (Brachot 49b s.v. Tefillah).</ref> | |||
# On the first night of Sukkot, one should wait to do [[Kiddish]] until after [[Tzet HaKochavim]]. However, after the fact if one made [[Kiddish]] during [[Bein HaShemashot]] and ate a [[Kezayit]] of bread one should make sure to have another [[Kezayit]] after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] but one doesn’t need to make another Bracha of LeShev BaSukkah. <ref>Rama 639:3 writes that one make sure not to eat until nighttime. Mishna Brurah 639:25 explains that this is based on the connection between [[Pesach]] and [[Sukkot]] and by [[Matzah]] one may only eat at night as it says in the פסוק. Mishna Brurah continues that after the fact if one ate one should eat another [[Kezayit]] but not make another LeShev BaSukkah because of [[Safek Brachot LeHakel]]. Natai Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 38:12) extends the Rama to not even making [[Kiddish]] before nighttime. Yalkut Yosef (Moadim pg 138) agrees with the above halachot. </ref> | |||
# On the first night of [[Sukkot]] the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] should be said after [[Kiddush]]. <ref>S"A 643:1 </ref>After the fact if one made [[Shehecheyanu]] before [[Kiddish]] one fulfilled one's obligation (and one shouldn't go repeat it after [[Kiddish]]). <ref>Mishna Brurah 643:3 </ref> | # On the first night of [[Sukkot]] the Bracha of [[Shehecheyanu]] should be said after [[Kiddush]]. <ref>S"A 643:1 </ref>After the fact if one made [[Shehecheyanu]] before [[Kiddish]] one fulfilled one's obligation (and one shouldn't go repeat it after [[Kiddish]]). <ref>Mishna Brurah 643:3 </ref> | ||
# If one didn’t make a [[Shehecheyanu]] on the first night of [[Sukkot]], one can make it the rest of days and nights of [[Sukkot]]. <Ref>Magan Avraham 643:1, Mishna Brurah 643:2, Chazon Ovadyah (pg 95) </ref> | # If one didn’t make a [[Shehecheyanu]] on the first night of [[Sukkot]], one can make it the rest of days and nights of [[Sukkot]]. <Ref>Magan Avraham 643:1, Mishna Brurah 643:2, Chazon Ovadyah (pg 95) </ref> | ||
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## According to Ashekenazim, some poskim hold that one is not exempt from the [[Sukkah]] and one should wait an hour or two for the rain to stop if it does then one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] with a bracha of Leshev BaSukkah but if it doesn't one should recite [[Kiddush]] and eat a [[Kezayit]] of bread in the [[Sukkah]] without the bracha of LeShev BaSukkah. <ref>Rama 639:5, Mishna Brurah 639:35 </ref> Other poskim hold that one may say [[Kiddush]] in the [[Sukkah]] without waiting for the rain to stop. <ref>[http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/749248/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Eating_In_The_Succah_The_first_Night_Of_Succos_and_Hilchos_Mitztaer# Rabbi Tzvi Sobolovsky in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 30-3)] quotes Rabbi Mordechai Willig as having ruled that if it rains on the first night of [[Sukkot]] one may say [[Kiddush]] in the [[Sukkah]] without waiting for the rain to stop. </ref> | ## According to Ashekenazim, some poskim hold that one is not exempt from the [[Sukkah]] and one should wait an hour or two for the rain to stop if it does then one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] with a bracha of Leshev BaSukkah but if it doesn't one should recite [[Kiddush]] and eat a [[Kezayit]] of bread in the [[Sukkah]] without the bracha of LeShev BaSukkah. <ref>Rama 639:5, Mishna Brurah 639:35 </ref> Other poskim hold that one may say [[Kiddush]] in the [[Sukkah]] without waiting for the rain to stop. <ref>[http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/749248/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Eating_In_The_Succah_The_first_Night_Of_Succos_and_Hilchos_Mitztaer# Rabbi Tzvi Sobolovsky in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 30-3)] quotes Rabbi Mordechai Willig as having ruled that if it rains on the first night of [[Sukkot]] one may say [[Kiddush]] in the [[Sukkah]] without waiting for the rain to stop. </ref> | ||
# If one recited [[Kiddush]] and are a [[Keyazit]] of bread in the [[Sukkah]] while it was raining and then one wakes up in the middle of the night and sees that it is not raining, some poskim say that one does not have to get up to eat in the [[Sukkah]]<ref>Mishna Brurah 639:36</ref>, while others say that one should get up to eat in the [[Sukkah]].<Ref>[http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/749248/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Eating_In_The_Succah_The_first_Night_Of_Succos_and_Hilchos_Mitztaer# Rabbi Tzvi Sobolovsky in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 30-5)] quotes Rabbi Mordechai Willig as having ruled that if it rains on the first night of [[Sukkot]] and one ate in the [[Sukkah]], and then fell asleep, if one wakes up and sees that it stopped raining, one should get up and eat a [[Kezayit]] in the [[Sukkah]] in order to be certain that one fulfilled this mitzvah deoritta. </ref> | # If one recited [[Kiddush]] and are a [[Keyazit]] of bread in the [[Sukkah]] while it was raining and then one wakes up in the middle of the night and sees that it is not raining, some poskim say that one does not have to get up to eat in the [[Sukkah]]<ref>Mishna Brurah 639:36</ref>, while others say that one should get up to eat in the [[Sukkah]].<Ref>[http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/749248/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/_Eating_In_The_Succah_The_first_Night_Of_Succos_and_Hilchos_Mitztaer# Rabbi Tzvi Sobolovsky in a shiur on yutorah.org (min 30-5)] quotes Rabbi Mordechai Willig as having ruled that if it rains on the first night of [[Sukkot]] and one ate in the [[Sukkah]], and then fell asleep, if one wakes up and sees that it stopped raining, one should get up and eat a [[Kezayit]] in the [[Sukkah]] in order to be certain that one fulfilled this mitzvah deoritta. </ref> | ||
# Some poskim permit sitting under an umbrella held in hand even over ten [[Tefachim]], unlike a more permanent umbrella such as one supported by a table because it is still considered sitting under the [[schach]]. <ref> Halichot Shlomo 2:8-20, She’arim Metzuyanim b’Halachah 135:5, and Nefesh Chayah OC 629. Rav Elyashiv quoted in Succat Chayim page 52 however does not permit this, It is that the Brisker Rav did in fact do this himself quoted in Hasuccah hashalem, miluim, 13:4. </ref> | # Some poskim permit sitting under an umbrella held in hand even over ten [[Tefachim]], unlike a more permanent umbrella such as one supported by a table because it is still considered sitting under the [[schach]]. <ref> Halichot Shlomo 2:8-20, She’arim Metzuyanim b’Halachah 135:5, and Nefesh Chayah OC 629. Rav Elyashiv quoted in Succat Chayim page 52 however does not permit this, It is that the Brisker Rav did in fact do this himself quoted in Hasuccah hashalem, miluim, 13:4. </ref> | ||
==Forgetting to say Yaale VeYavo== | ==Forgetting to say Yaale VeYavo== | ||
